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“They’re trying to kidnap someone” - On the scene of a brutal ICE arrest in Worcester, Massachusetts.
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this post was submitted on 10 May 2025
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Violence begets more violence. This isn’t the way.
Empty platitudes. Pacifism doesn't work on Nazis. Mandalorianism though..
So they’ll just get to kill us without consequence. Fucking awesome
And us killing them comes without consequences?
clearly we need to wait for the death camps
And doing nothing when someone is violently assailing you seems like it would carry consequences of its own. I'm not advocating that we meet violence with murderous retribution, but when diplomacy fails and someone intends to cause you harm no matter what you do, defending yourself is the only reasonable course of action.
Just passively get into the van please.
Yeah? Why not name out the times a significant change happened without violence, and we'll compare it to the number of times it took violence. Special hint: One of these is MUCH larger than the other. Hell, like 100 people were killed over a few days just to get the US down to a 40 hour work week.
"whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
-Preamble to the Declaration of Independence (of the United States of America)
"When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable."
-John F. Kennedy, 35th President of the United States
In a normal world where you have a court of law to count on with a fair trial, yes… violence is not the answer.
But in a world where the powers that be have decided you have no rights, there is no peaceful due process anymore… if you let them take you, you are as good as dead.
They do not want to give their prisoners a day in court. The president himself believes the most absurdly obvious Photoshopped “tattoos” justify brutalizing the presumably innocent targets :
No one is going to save us. They will never willingly release the prisoners from El Salvador.
For now, you can legally own firearms.
I would also point out randomly that many years ago, the Black Panthers started patrolling local neighborhoods in large organized groups - ALL of them legally carrying firearms and they “observed” the local police during stops to prevent them from otherwise brutalizing innocent people whom the police didn’t believe had rights.
We are at the point where if you wish to uphold the actual tenets of the Constitution… if you want the Bill of Rights to be followed instead of ignored as they currently are, I would suggest taking inspiration from relevant history, finding like-minded individuals with similar ideals and convictions to begin doing what they can to help inspire a change in heart from those currently engaged in gleeful cruelty as if there will be no consequence for engaging in such actions.
Hypothetically, perhaps if agents of cruelty and apathy were to see real potential responses with impact as a direct consequence, they might think twice before engaging in such actions.
Says person whose rights have all been secured via violence.
If you view ICE as zombies that can think, it gets a lot easier.
They think?? You might be giving them to much credit
Yes, it is. They are willing to use violence against us all, we should be willing to do the same. The only downside is that when they brutalize and jail us, they get to go home. We don’t stand a fucking chance.
I most heartily agree it's simply senseless and cruel to brutalize other humans, cut their throats wide better to put them down like rabid dogs.