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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump, Putin, and Netenyahu have practically made it mandatory for every country to get their own nuclear weapons. Nothing else makes any sense anymore, when you have hyper aggressive fanatics with nuclear weapons and the west does nothing at all about it. It would be governmental malpractice for every world leader not to have some as a deterrent.

[–] zero@feddit.xyz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Couldn't agree more. Would they have done it if Iran had nukes. Everyone came out of this with some learnings and would be interesting to see what comes out of it in the coming months and years.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

not that long ago I believed a rules based western order existed, and that inevitably we'd evolve a global world government, sprouted from the UN and ICC. Just a matter of time, I thought. What a silly dirty hippy I was.

[–] 0li0li@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

FFS, can't we just all live our short lives in piece, without giving that much power to a bunch of selfish assholes? They are all in the wrong, and will sacrifice their neighbours for a bit of power.

Fuck them, fuck their enemies, fuck their allies and fuck their gods!

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Pretty sure that ship already sailed with Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

...or the U.S. intervention in Libya.

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Russia's invasion didn't help, but hasn't seemed to trigger major proliferation concerns. In particular, Ukraine has no given any indication of pursuing nuclear development as a result. Indeed, doing so would put their much needed military aid at risk. All indications is that other countries that feel threatened by Russia are making similar calculations.

In contrast, Iran pursuing a nuclear strategy is very much on the table. We've established that their ability for conventional self defense is woefully inadequate; their proxy network has been severely degraded; and their prospect for a diplomatic solution has been repeatedly undermined.

If Iran does get nukes, that could be a catalyst for others in the region to do so as well.