oat

joined 3 months ago
 

I’ve finished the first three books in The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant and decided to stop. My interest in the series was piqued when I read some reviews which criticized them for an unlikable main character or a distasteful central plot device and wanted to read them for myself to see why they are so polarizing. Ultimately, though, I disagree that either of those is the major problem with the series. The issue is much more fundamental; the books open by posing interesting philosophical questions (“Can you harm something that doesn’t exist?”, “Does uncertainty/disbelief negate culpability?”) but fail as a narrative experience beyond that.

Other than Thomas Covenant himself (who is vastly more developed than any other character) the characters are shallow and not particularly believable. They’re introduced and the reader is lead to believe they’re central characters before they’re unceremoniously killed off with no build up (and little description).

This tendency extends beyond individual characters. Epic battles and events are matter-of-factly relayed with scant description over the course of a few paragraphs with no chance for the reader to get emotionally invested (contrast the battles in The Chronicles with The Battle of Helm’s Deep or the Chain of Dogs). In other books I’ve felt like I was in the battle but Donaldson was never able to bring me off the sidelines. An entire side quest is introduced and then treated as an after thought (see Gilden-Fire).

The setting (imaginatively called “The Land”) itself suffers from these problems. The Land is supposedly an ancient world with a complex history of many different peoples and regions but feels woefully unexplored and unexplained. Peoples in the book (Giants, Ramen, Haruchai) are boiled down to one dimensional stereotypes (“the loyal companion”, “the unbeatable warrior” etc) with little effort made to develop their individual cultures.

My impression is that Donaldson approaches his work first as a means to explore a philosophy and second as a story. This strikes me as contrasting strongly with other epic fantasy authors like Tolkien, Martin or Stevenson who succeed in embedding morality and ethics in compelling stories that are rewarding to read. Thoughts? Any of you find The Chronicles more worthwhile than I have? Perhaps some of the world building and narrative improves over the following seven novels but why would I continue when the first three were so poor?

[–] oat@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The question is not whether a peasant could be an interesting character. Obviously they could. A talented writer could make almost anyone’s life compelling. The question is whether that perspective serves the story being told.

ASOIAF is a story about political power. The people who have the ability to affect those outcomes are the obvious focus.

A peon’s POV would be telling a different story and shift the focus from the people competing to the people living with the consequences of the competition. That could be a great novel, but it would not advance the retelling of the dynastic struggle for control of Westeros.

This is why I asked why you find the absence of lower-class POVs surprising. It seems like an obvious consequence of the scope and focus of the story.

[–] oat@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Is this surprising? The book series centers around the struggle for political control of a kingdom and as a result is told by the people involved in that struggle. What would the perspective of an uninvolved peasant or stevedore add?

[–] oat@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Suttree strikes me as being similarly world weary as Maqroll but McCarthy's characterization is much richer than Mutis's and I enjoyed the book more than I'm enjoying Maqroll.

[–] oat@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

You know - I read the comparisons to Don Quixote before I picked up this book and I REALLY disliked Don Quixote. I did finish part 1 but could not bring myself to start part 2 - not sure if that counts as DNF or not.

In answer to your question, I'm not sure I see strong parallels between Maqroll and Don Quixote, the tone in Don Quixote was much less disenchanted/jaded and more... well, quixotic. I don't think Maqroll as character has the same "humorous" (I didn't find it funny) self-delusion that people appreciate in Don Quixote. Maqroll is a realist his adventures just aren't very believable and I don't think the writing/atmosphere outweighs the trudging plot. I think my main objection to Maqroll (hearkening back to the Dr. Evil reference) is that it comes across to me as if it was written by a person who isn't very worldy but uses obscure/exotic settings to seem like they are. Which is strange because by all accounts Mutis was actually quite well traveled. I guess in my opinion where Melville succeeds in building credibility by delving into the minutia of cetology Mutis fails in establishing his worldliness with his plot/settings (in my opinion of course).

 

I was recommended this book on another website and reviews seemed overwhelmingly positive so I picked it up. I was looking for some other latam lit after reading 100 Years Of Solitude (great) Love in the Time of Cholera (good) and 2666 (great) and had high hopes.

I'm now done with 3/4 and boy is it a stinker, I really push myself to finish books no matter what but this is an absolute slog. Every story feels like Dr. Evil's description of his childhood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTJj4wbmAhk). Protagonist goes to some far away location and gets involved in some niche scheme (which seem interchangeable with one another) where he meets a beautiful woman who has lots of sex with him. Then she dies and he escapes. Rinse and repeat. The author seems to name drop for the sake of it. Anyone else read and enjoy this one?