I think you're a bit too doomer. The rise of socialism and communism among the younger generations in the US is being directly contested by NSPM-7 and other COINTELPRO style attacks. The capitalist state and class recognize that there is a very real threat to their power that looms, and so they are trying to strangle the baby as it is beginning to walk.

[–] deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children)

While I try to stray from the doomer aspect of this conversation I will say what “we” (the American working class) would be going up against the literal strongest military ever created. Think about the realistic aspects of either a second civil war or a Second American Revolution.

You have:

A. A military that wouldn’t think twice about hollowing out entire cities (your favorite institutions, homes, etc) and killing men, women and children. Again, the strongest apparatus for systemically killing people and destroying infrastructure ever created.

B. an incredibly decentralized, politically misguided and complacent Working Class that has no interest in liberation politics, no organized party or party lines or party demands whatsoever (DSA wilt NOT be a revolutionary vanguard liberals please get this thru your heads) and most importantly outnumbered in personnel, weapons, time, resources, and more.

I know it’s a bit “doomer”, but I try to live realistically. I been American long enough to know when this theoretical “second civil war” hits, your neighbors won’t take up arms to help you. They will stockpile resources for their children and keep them away from you (and me): the side that in their eyes “caused civil unrest, destroyed the economy and status quo (therefor our way of life), and are responsible for the dangerous and controversial communist uprising that will never work and authoritarianism dictatorship” blah blah blah.

Best bet today seems learn Portuguese fast and move to BRASIL

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Regarding point A, the statesian working class far outnumbers the statesian military. The Black Lives Matter movement absolutely terrified the bourgeoisie, because even in the face of that, numbers have power.

Regarding point B, this is not static. Socialists have been steadily working to improve the level of class consciousness in the US Empire, and this is having slow and steady results. It's why there is a dialectical reaction to these new developments.

The task is difficult, but becoming increasingly possible year over year.

[–] 0144927536231884@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Regarding point B, this is not static. Socialists have been steadily working to improve the level of class consciousness in the US Empire, and this is having slow and steady results. It’s why there is a dialectical reaction to these new developments.

In this context, what is the clearest example of a dialectical reaction? I assume that the targeting and absorption of BLM and heightened class-based economic warfare are examples..?

Thank you for your study and writing!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

NSPM-7 is a big one! There is a surge in state repression against communists, as communists are waking up from their near-century of slumber in the Empire. Groups like PSL and even the DSA are rising, and as a consequence the state is enacting repression against them. BLM was very nearly revolutionary, but the organizing was crushed early on so as to become direction less, despite having mass momentum.

[–] 0144927536231884@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Thanks! I had heard mentions of that memo, but hadn't read on it...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

You definitely should, it's modern COINTELPRO.

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