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That's roughly 23k MXN, which is also what some people here earn in an entire month. Just trying to clarify that while it's certainly not as expensive as it is in the US compared to the average person's salary, it's still not as cheap for people who actually live here either
Sure, but 21,000 usd as he was quoted is closer to the average annual salary in America. So it's still disgustingly more affordable for a local Mexican to afford their own dental care.
Guess what, that's also roughly a months salary for some people in the US too. Not only do we have shitty healthcare but we also have shit wages.
Walking into a hospital in America is a month of work for me before they even do anything and i make good money for an American.
Not to undermine your point, dental services are still kinda expensive for regular people, but this is also Tijuana, a border city where stuff is more expensive.
And that dental clinic probably inflates their prices since they provably service a number of foreigners.
I'm aware, but if I started talking about that I would've ended with an entire wall of text, and I didn't feel like doing that
Still, thanks for providing additional context
I live in a country on which USians love to shit online, and had root canal procedures and fillings done for free. Not sure about implants, though.
USians shit on lots of countries, you're going to have to narrow it down
Why tf is he talking AI
Hate to break it to you, but humans have been using the em-dash since before AI existed. AI output is modeled after effective communicators, and those people still exist.
"Our healthcare system isnt broken. Its a business model" If anything the em dash in that second sentence makes it seem more human, because its a double "it's not this – it's that"-ism. I don't care if the text is AI written or not but that style of communicating is not normal – its AI.
It's entirely normal. It's been a common rhetorical device for centuries. It may be more common now due to AI, but language is memetic and people adopt popular styles. It's impossible to say whether this is AI or not.
To be clear, I am more anti-AI than most people, but AI-hunts like this are only a waste of time. And frankly, they only distract from the message, which in this case is more worthy of discussion than whether or not the messenger used AI to compose his message.
I can even make it on my keyboard — because I use a proper keyboard map on a decent system. And I could do it ten years ago too!
I’m pretty sure we’re reading an ad for a Tijuana based gastric bypass doctor lol.
There should be a distinction between posts written by humans, and those written by AI. Political discussions should be for humans, not robots.
If this person wanted to make a comparison between dental prices, they could've written it out themselves. But instead the relied on an AI. That's not innovation, that's laziness!
Today, online discussions are broken – you can't know which comments are written by humans any more. Luckily we have people like you who can tell the difference.
Disclaimer: This post was written by a human.
Yeah, I don't know; is it even true, then?
Idk if his specific post is true, but medical tourism is a booming industry. So common in the US that even the CDC has a page on it https://www.cdc.gov/yellow-book/hcp/health-care-abroad/medical-tourism.html
Seems rather to be the LinkedIn style, with barely more than a short sentence per paragraph, and infused with the unmistakable pathos that feels a bit reserved but is definitely too pompous for business talk.
The formatting is similar to the BBC style aka modern news sites, but idk why it got adopted on LinkedIn when posters are presumably not paid per ad impression.
Wait till people find out the technology and cost for health care in China.
My father will get his hearing and heart checked here, because in my birth country he has to wait 4 months to get an appointment and than likely another 3 months for the next step. Here we get everything done in one day including all scans, results, meeting with the specialist and possible medication.
Edit: link because medical tourism is becoming a real thing now in China. I can't believe how ridiculous the costs are in the US. It's a total scam.
https://chinaneighbor.com/guide/healthcare/medical-trip-to-china-overview/
Sometimes, I think America loathe Mexico not because they are brown and poor, but because America is envious that a poor country have affordable healthcare than the supposedly richest country in the world.
I'm willing to bet the majority of Americans have no idea Mexico has affordable healthcare. Propaganda is a bitch
I'm surprised to hear that to be honest. I know many Americans go to Mexico for cheaper medical care.
I need similar work done, I keep forgetting this is an option. It'll cost me 15k to do here at a generic chain dentist. After insurance
I have dental insurance and it's near-fucking-worthless for this level of work (which I've had a lot of in the last few years). It pays only a small percentage of the costs and the payout is capped at $1500 per year, nowhere near enough to cover the cost of a single implant. I wouldn't even bother having the insurance in the first place but it's a free benefit provided by my employer.
Chain dentists are a fucking abomination, though. You're guaranteed to get work you don't actually need because of the corporate pressures they're under to generate revenue.
Friend of mine went on vacation to Taiwan and Thailand for like three weeks and got dental done then. It was cheaper to be out of work and buy plane tickets and hotel stays than to have dental done in the US
I've done this while living near the border. But consider Worldvision....
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I'm in Australia, with socialised medicine, but not socialised dentistry. The cost price of a single implant from a reputable supply company is about that price. That doesn't take into account surgery staff, healthcare staff, the actual surgery etc.
A filling material capsule is about $5. The cost of a filling is still $200-300. So, the cost price of the implant is only a tiny part od the picture.
21k is probably excessive but I'd want to see the laln. 1k is shoddy materials or only part of the story.
Moving my comment to the first level comments.
The Australian Dental Association are fucking scum who have successfully fought and bribed for Medicare to exclude dental
A pox upon them for their greed and avarice, at the expense of the health of the many
The link between poor dental health and cardiac disease is quite remarkable
There are too many dentists willing to accept increased mortality in the population as a whole, just so they can get richer
Fuck 'em with a wire brush
Is it really so hard to believe that something like that can cost so low and maybe not be shoddy? In EU you get low cost and higher cost countries and ofc it differs, but overall that cost mentioned in the post is imho reasonable.
Yes, it's definitely shoddy at that price. They either used cheapo brands of inplants that aren't made well or the poster is not being accurate.
Things can definitely be cheaper. I get a bimonthky injection that costs about AUD2500. I pay $25. That doesn't mean the manufacturer receives $25. That's not how socialised medicine works. The government subsidises it to make it $25.
A tourist going to get dentistry overseas gets no such subsidy. The cost of materials, staff, equipment and profit are all built into that price. Dentistry, and particularly surgical dentistry, is a capital intensive endeavour. Its not financially viable to have quality work at that price.
You can have cheap things like cleans, which need less consumables and less equipment. Implant surgery can be cheaper, but not that much vheaper.
A filling material capsule is about $5.
Amalgam or cement? I pay around 70€ for the material of a ceramic filling.
Same in Europe. UK calls the perfect white teeth “Turkey Teeth” for a reason. And we all have universal healthcare here around. So this is not the only reason. Purchase power and GDP matter, too.
But "perfect white teeth" aka veneers are often a cosmetic procedure and are thus generally not covered by universal healthcare (there are exceptions ofcourse).
I'd argue a rootcanal treatment is very necessary so I don't think they are comparable situations. That is ofcourse just the opinion of a random internet person.
Teeth are never covered by health insurance as far as I know, unless the cause was an accident.
Which is insane, btw. Teeth are the beginning of the digestive tract, relatively exposed to the elements, and you only get one adult set.
I broke two front teeth and had a wisdom tooth knocked loose and later extracted in a fall at work. Workman's comp insurance is supposed to pay for it all (many thousands of $$$) but so far they've balked for the last eight months. Meanwhile my dentist has eaten the entire cost. Workman's comp insurance treats people only through preferred providers, but they have no preferred dentists or oral surgeons so it's a bit of a grey area.
This is arguably because, if dental care was free, it would remove a visible signal of someone’s wealth and position in the social hierarchy