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Vivaldi CEO explains his anti-AI stance: most users don’t want AI in the browser (cybernews.com)

submitted 2 days ago by Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Jon von Tetzchner, CEO and founder of Vivaldi Technologies, refuses to integrate AI features in its browser and wants human engineers, not AI, to write its code.

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[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

Can’t understand we’ve gotten this far and no one has mentioned Helium.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Been using it for years on my phone. It's great. Some webpage doesn't work well with it though but imo those are the site not worth visiting.

[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago

remember when they let Homer design a car?

same shit happens when users get to design software.

[–] Floon@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago

They should use AI testing to find exploits. It's good at that.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club -2 points 1 day ago

If its like a built in translator and a chat ui and you can opt-in(or at bare minimum opt-out) its fine for me I guess

[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I want AI in my browser, as long as it is zero data retention (edit: used ZDR) and hosted in Europe with local hosting as an option. AND if it can be fully turned off.

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[+] belochka@lemmy.world -6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That's why you're shipping Chrome with a very attractive skin and set of add-ons, by modern measure (reminiscent of Britannica electronic versions from year 2001 or I don't know what), that's still not as functional, convenient and generally awesome as Opera 12.

I'm not qualified to give anyone business advice, especially JvT, just think that in web browser market the field is so dead (as in captured by oligopoly) that retrospectively they were more likely to succeed forking a subset of Web standards and explicitly positioning continuations of Opera as a client for that and not mainstream Web.

Or claiming compliance with W3C standards and rejecting WHATWG etc.

And, of course, making it a paid product again, perhaps with a free version with ads and part of features locked (as it were before they made the browser free but with Google search and Google payments from that, what could go wrong ; I suspect those people were still psychologically a Norwegian state telecom company project and wanted some "public" sort of funding with product free to use, and remember how Google was positioning itself almost like a non-commercial entity). Compared to the amount of ads on webpages, this is nothing, and back then people were still a bit more computer literate in general and that they'd understand.

That's not a heavier task than competing with Chrome/Safari/etc was as Opera Software, and perhaps that's not even a heavier task that Vivaldi is doing.

I mean, W3C standards at least end somewhere and are not defined by what their combined competition collectively decides as fast as they need.

But it's been 13 years already, and back then seriously thinking of dropping/forking the Web as a platform, or at least Google "standards" of it, wasn't possible. Now there's Telegram attaining more and more functionality, and other messengers and siloed services, and non-siloed ones, like NOSTR and Gemini (hypertext, not AI).

Anyway, there's just one thing I don't understand about them, if Google killed their business, why try it again depending on Google again? Couldn't they base it on WebKit? On Firefox?

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[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm going to stick with Firefox but also because they take the same stance.

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