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[–] smeg@infosec.pub 346 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Rent seeking behavior. They want subscription revenue instead of wanting to deliver what consumers want.

For the most part, it's believed that carmakers are doing way with Android Auto support simply as a way to expand their control over user data. Because Android Auto utilizes your phone's connection, all of the data that runs through it goes straight to Android and the phone manufacturer. So, by utilizing built-in systems, the car manufacturers would indeed be able to collect more data about how you use the systems in place, while also possibly getting more money out of you through subscriptions.

You are unfortunately correct.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 day ago

And then carmakers will cry that Chinese cars are reading over the market.

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[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 74 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I am always surprised I don't hear more discussion about Automotive Grade Linux.

https://www.automotivelinux.org/

[–] pogmommy@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Something something year of the Linux car

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because it's corporate controlled embedded Linux, you aren't guaranteed any freedom or control. Hell you aren't even guaranteed access to a debug menu. Technically a car manufacturer could make a open a free car running embedded Linux that does give you freedom but the chances are absurdly low.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 9 points 1 day ago

TiVoization

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[–] haywire7@lemmy.world 202 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Back to the days of rip out the head unit and stick one in that does have the features you want?

[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I imagine they’ll try to make this increasingly difficult; maybe even impossible.

[–] kenopsik@piefed.social 89 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It already is for a lot of modern cars. Especially EVs. I imagine they are so tied into the functionality of the car that it makes the vehicle impossible to drive without the OEM headunit.

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[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just had a little magnetic clip for my air vent where I could attach my phone and put up a map.

I'd sooner go back to doing that than use a "Gemini-based AI assistant" in my fucking car.

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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

2015 cars came with bluetooth support for hands free calling using your phone. This was great.

After that, it was replaced with carplay or android auto as the only means to get hands free calling. Stupid...stupid.

Plus, last 2 new cars i bought, i had to take the interior roof apart so i could access the built in cellular antennae wire and remove that spyware P.O.S. And by the way, car works fine without it.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fucking clickbait titles jfc

[–] terminal@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

Yep i never click on them as a form of protest

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 95 points 1 day ago (21 children)

I wish I could develop my own apps on my own car. I mean I own the car.. why can't I "sideload" my own created apps? Their apps are sht anyways.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not only will Automotive Linux not save us it will power the new proprietary car systems

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You can, but it's a Google filled minefield. A good view of it is reading into all of the trouble of using Android Auto in GrapheneOS without destroying all the privacy protections. It's essentially impossible to get navigation going without doing so, but audio for music and phone calls can be done with some hoop jumping. You're still probably better off just using bluetooth though.

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[–] Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Every day I get more thankful for my hand-me-down car. It has no heated seats or anything fancy, but that also means no subscriptions, no wifi tracking/stalking, no digital touch screen over physical buttons, etc. All I've ever done is use a clip holder on my AC vent for my phone, so I'm used to it. It's given me time to see how others feel about Android Auto and features in newer cars, and I can make an informed decision whenever my baby decides to kick the bucket. Hopefully I can get something not too stalkerish nor with subscriptions.

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm super pleased to have gotten a vehicle right in the breakpoint between dumb and dumber vehicles, 2018, center console without touchscreen, mouse/dpad instead, no connected services except offline gps with option to update maps via tethered network, no sos lojack. Got lane assist, adaptive spees etc but nothing actually 'smart'

Next year model got it all, touchscreens, lojack, annoying android..

I bought a cheap chinabox for android auto instead of upgrading software via dealer for higher price, and now I can connect whatever I want to the system below android, enter ui for dashcams, kill it entirely or just use the good ol radio.

Not looking forward to 'upgrading' in the future at all, I'd rather let this one turn to rolling rust.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Honestly, I think consumers allowing manufacturers to start integrating screens into cars was a mistake.

Knobs and dials are way easier to nevigate blind (whilst focusing on the road like we're meant to), and none of that stops you plugging in your own third party device for other features, or replacing the headboard yourself.

Giant tablets with complex menus are dangerous to drivers, and only serve to milk the consumer for things they already had access to in their car as standard not 10 years ago.

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[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 63 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Why I like Android Auto:

  • I can plan my route on my phone at home and see the map on the big screen instead the little phone ui, or worse putting in the adress manually with the keyboard wheel in Korean instead of copy and pasting it from the Element chat
  • I already have all my music on my phone, I don't want to copy and organize it again for hours in my car
  • I already have integration with many apps on my phone, I don't want to set everything up again on the car, especially I can't copy and paste my long ass passwords from my KeePassXC into the car and need to painstakingly put in every password with their clunky keyboard, if they even have a keyboard.

I could go on forever. But as long as I can connect bluetooth and set up my phone somewhere so I can see the map while driving I'll be OK. The worst part, at work what I do is car infotainment system software, but it never has any of the features I would want from a car.

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[–] cambodia@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Because GM sucks.

People aren't asking for much. People just want their phone navigation and music controls displayed onto the infotainment. Won't consider any car that cannot afford me this tiny bit of convenience for the sake of nickel and diming me.

And if every car manufacturer starts forcing me to adopt their own stupid software I'll just buy a fucking phone holder.

And GM has shitty reliability anyways.

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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I won’t buy a car without CarPlay.

My current car has it and I love it. So I imagine Android users feel the same way.

If there is truly no option, then my phone is getting the window/airvent mount option.

I’ll never subscribe to their bs.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

My take on Android Auto (I'm sure everyone wants to hear)

pros:

  • free to choose the maps app you want (OsmAnd, Organic Maps, Google Maps or anything)
  • stream music for the app you want
  • decent voice control for maps and spotify
  • decent integration with some EV charging apps, you can find and initiate chargers from the dashboard
  • you can write your own Android Auto apps

cons:

  • Android Auto app is very invasive, polluting phone with stupid notifications
  • the standard is shit. Android Auto doesn't work work with Android Go phones but it's not specified anywhere in the documentation, wireless Android Auto only works with latest android but it's also not specified anywhere
  • it's controlled by Google and there are no alternative implementations

My solution so far is to use cheap, secondary phone for AA (which was hard to find because of the stupid limitations). If someone would create a open AA client not controlled by Google I would put it on my primary phone. AA should now work with Graphene OS so I may try to set it up in separate profile some day.

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[–] HisArmsOpen@crust.piefed.social 44 points 1 day ago (7 children)

GM are saying that their customers want a more seamless integration. Shareholders are slavering at the idea of owners collared to their subscription system. Buyers need to stop buying cars with stupid subscriptions. My 2nd hand BMW has a heated steering wheel that requires an annual fee to use. Nope, heated gloves are the solution!

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