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What's the difference for a real user between using X11 or Wayland nowdays? I haven't found anything useful on the internet, so I'm asking you. Internet articles on the topic (and about WMs too) seem to be advertising slop since they explain anything but the real things. Also, if anyone used the XLibre fork, I would love to hear about your experience with it.

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

X11 is stable and maintained but not getting new features. It will generally work well for most people but over time it will and is drifting to obsolesence.

Wayland has some flaws but is not basically stable and feature rich enough for most people to use. It is not a complete drop in for X11 and won't necessairly ever will be but for the vast majorory of desktop users it is.

The problem with Wayland is that there are still issues for people with graphics drivers. Nvidia in particular has had serious issues with it although they are improving.

I personally still use X11 with my KDE set up because i still have problems woth Wayland. Thwyre not as bad as they were but its still not quite stable above for me.

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 18 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I'm a bit surprised you didn't find much searching the web, because this is one of the most hot topics in Linux and everyone has an opinion and discussions are endless.

I use Wayland for years by now and it improved vastly during that time. One of the advantages over X11 I appreciate is the better handling of multiple monitors, with different resolution, refreshrate and VRR in effect. This was simply not possible in X11 in this form. I like its more secure by design, in relation to keyboard input. X11 can read all keyboard input by any application at any time. Wayland works different here, but for the time being I enabled X11 compatibility for this in KDE, until a all applications support Wayland fully.

Think twice before abandoning X11. Wayland breaks everything! is more of an anti Wayland posting, but its good to have a view from all angles. So I post it here.

Have in mind that Wayland improved in recent years drastically. Searching the web is either full of Ai nonsense or old content about the old state of Wayland. Also it depends which desktop environment you are using, because some are better at Wayland than others; notably KDE is on the front regarding Wayland. So even if some Wayland features are already developed, does not mean that all desktop environments supports them already.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Jesus, there's so much FUD in that gist. A lot of information out of date and emotional tone to the brim. Makes you wonder who's putting that much time and effort to support an outdated system like x11 and what they gain from that.

The reality is that the main desktop managers, and by extension the most popular distros are abandoning x11, so that's just a silly hill to die on.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 11 points 19 hours ago

One thing that's annoying in Wayland is new window placement where app can't control it at all*. Wayland would place it on a screen it wants. This gets hugely annoying when you have more than one monitor and/or virtual desktops and you'd want to restore billion of browser windows, for example.

  • A solution is being worked on, luckily
[–] fozid@feddit.uk 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, on a running system with average hardware, the average user won't notice any difference. Depending on your de/wm of choice on x11, you may have to swap to something similar but different, but there it. Depending on what you used, something will require different solutions, like screenshots, but 90+% of stuff, there is no difference.

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[–] delcaran@feddit.it 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

On my 2014 PC I'm using Fedora 44 with KDE, which defaults to Wayland: not problems whatsoever, but some applications say "Wayland support is experimental, beware".

I switched to X11 after a suggestion to debug some issues with a game. The issues was not fixed, all the other applications I've tried are still working flawlessly. PLUS the KDE night light feature is working (was not in Wayland). So I stayed with X11.

On my wife MacBook (2015) I installed Kinoite, defaults to Wayland. Everything works, but Rustdesk renders VERY small. I have not tried X11 on that, and will not try it.

Try both with all your applications and setups and choose the smoother experience. Make security a secondary priority: if it was the first you have less attack surface sticking to terminal only.

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Wait, you installed Linux on a MacBook?

[–] delcaran@feddit.it 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yes: it was the only way to update the software inside. It was so old some pages refused to load, and was really slow. It was a painless and quick procedure and it has been working better than ever since then: decent hardware with (now) very good software.

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

This is... decent

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago

You always could do that before the M chips

[–] buran@lemmy.today 6 points 20 hours ago

It depends heavily on your hardware and workflow.

Wayland can be a great experience and I personally enjoy how smooth it feels, but I acknowledge that many people run into some problems.

[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

As someone who has used X11 and Wayland, it doesn't matter for the typical user. If you, like me, have a penchant for some smaller desktop environments like XFCE or window managers, you will be stuck with X11, but many are already working on porting to Wayland.

Couple edge cases for gaming, namely screen tearing on some X11 configurations and certain Nvidia hardware running into issues on Wayland. For multi-monitor or high DPI users, Wayland handles per-monitor DPI and fractional scaling far better than X11. Maybe a couple more edge use cases for remoting into the desktop, but Wayland support is also improving quickly on that end. In any case, Wayland is by design more secure than X11.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I thought I’d never have to care about X11 or Wayland if I was a typical user. I thought it was just a debate for really passionate Linux user.

I turned out to be false since the reason I had bad playback on my HTPC, was the fact that Wayland was preventing the refresh rate of my TV to be adjusted to the content.

Switching to a distro using X11 solved the issue and apparently Wayland doesn’t plan on changing anything about this issue.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago

Wayland doesn’t plan on changing anything about this issue.

This seems to be a common pattern with the Wayland team. They seem very focused on some technical ideology for how "things should work" to the point of ignoring or dismissing real-world issues.

Perhaps in another 20 years they'll get around to addressing it.

[–] Mikelius@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago

I personally haven't really seen much difference between the two except Wayland eating more CPU and being rather tedious for hybrid (Ryzen/Nvidia) setups (still haven't resolved it crashing when I change TTY). I'd personally say stick to whatever default your desktop environment runs on..XWayland helps with the whole compatibility concerns at least.

Just my experience though, yours could be different depending on your machine and general setup

[–] KianaTabion@lemmy.today 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Wayland is (part of) the modern solution to the problem that was previously tackled by X11. As such, it comes with improved security (read: keyloggers no longer have a field day) and features (read: HDR, VRR and no screen tearing) that one might expect in 2026. Furthermore, it breaks up the monolith of X11 and thus adheres better to the Unix Philosophy^[That is; Do one thing and do it well.] (if that happens to be something you care about). Finally, Wayland has basically come (as part of the plan) to replace X11. So, it will continue to improve as a platform while X11 will remain stagnant.

In the current landscape in which Wayland has (finally) fulfilled (most of) its promises, X11's lifeline are the edge cases in which (for a myriad of different reasons) the Wayland ecosystem hasn't reached full feature-parity yet. And Wayland's trajectory would suggest that it's only a matter of time until those have been ironed out as well.

TL;DR: Use Wayland. Most of the ecosystem has already adopted it and what remains is actively in the process of doing so.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Wayland has basically come (as part of the plan) to replace X11

As part of whose plan?

[–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

The X11 developers

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[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Waylad is technically a better idea, the progression of X11, more secure and should be faster and smoother when it's ready...

But I run into so many incompatabilities still and often janky support via xWayland that I really don't think Wayland is ready to be the default just yet.

It will be, I'm sure, but for now I spend more time fighting it than I do using it. A bit of snazz in KDE and Waydroid seem to be the only things that actually need it, for me, and so many legacy things just nope right out and crash without going back to x by force.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 18 hours ago

There is a workaround to run Waydroid on X11, so you can still run it even if Wayland doesn't support your window manager.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

the progression of X11

Unless they reach feature parity, it's a fork, not a progression.

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[–] hackerwacker@lemmy.ml 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

You can run either. The truth is depending on what you want to do, what hardware you running, and software versions you have available, your experience will be very different.

Personally I run X11 because I'm used to it. It's extremely stable and the failure points are well known.

The waylandism design really bothers me, and so does the attitude of waylandists. Throwing stuff that works away for no reason, chasing some sort of Android trash ecosystem dream that's never going to happen.

Whatever man, you're taking xgamma away from me over my dead body. cocks shotgun. Come and get it.

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