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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 day ago (6 children)

In a sane world, there would be a law that forces certain types of features to always work.

Cloud connectivity can have benefits but honestly, 95+% of a car’s feature does not need the internet

[–] EliteCloneMike@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Most cars throughout history have had zero need for the internet. I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later. Though there are benefits to that model, but recalls exist for a reason.

[–] Denixen@feddit.nu 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later.

Too late. This is already the case, I don't know of a single EV that wasn't buggy on release and still buggy a year or two afterwards as the manufacturer hunts bugs in a leisurely pace. It already is like in the gaming industry. Don't buy an EV that isn't at least one year old on the market or you will become their free of charge beta tester...

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just hope it does not end up like video games, where they can sell an unfinished product and patch it later

Tesla has been selling a "full self driving" subscription for years.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

And if Musk hadn't bought a president, they would have been prosecuted for their crimes.

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[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Is this article presuming that this isn't part of the plan? Auto manufacturers think our brains work like "oh no, my connected service was end-of-lifed. Guess I gotta buy a new car."

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People already have been brainwashed on "how many years of security updates does this smartphone model have?", and being paranoid about older-than-a-few-years devices, so you're not far off.

(Not trying to diminish the necessity of software security updates, but at the same time I could not find any Android exploits that do not involve users installing malicious apps, supply chain attacks, or state actors)

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

My phone has access to my bank app, my car does not.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago
[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago

With OTA updates eventually they could FORCE you into buying a new one.

I hate the privacy nightmare cars are turning into.

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[–] shweddy@lemmy.world 129 points 1 day ago

You buy a new one so the c level can buy another yacht

[–] jackyard@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Get a ninth gen Corolla and you'll have no problems

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 19 hours ago

Can't find any near me, I'd have to fly to another country to get one that's not full of rust holes and decommissioned due to failing safety inspection which doesn't allow for perforation.

[–] ian@feddit.uk 71 points 1 day ago (8 children)

My car is so old it makes its own cloud!

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 24 points 1 day ago (5 children)

In my opinion it should be illegal to shutdown as long as they have cars. I would not buy any device that requires internet access to work with basic functionality.

You can't really write laws that just require people to offer a service indefinitely though. That's how you end up locking some poor bastard in jail who honestly tried to start a good car company up, did the best they could, and then saw it all go under. No one would ever start a car company, lest they risk imprisonment if the thing went bankrupt despite their best efforts. Starting a car company is already a hugely risky endeavor. Now you're asking people to risk imprisonment if the company fails. I'm generally in favor of locking up more CEOs. But there are plenty of ones committing real crimes. We don't need to be inventing new ones to trap otherwise innocent people.

The way to do this right is to mandate a long but still limited period of cloud coverage, say 20 years. And require companies to put up a bond to cover the cost of third-party hosting these ongoing cloud service in the event they go bankrupt. Then also require all essential functions to work without cloud connectivity.

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

Why are you buying things you don't own?

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[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (4 children)

In response to some customer concerns of a dead battery resulting from the DCM continually trying to access the 3G cellular network, which is no longer available

https://www.theautopian.com/why-subaru-batteries-are-dying-all-across-the-country/

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you'd also get screwed if you routinely are parked somewhere without any cellular access? Nice design.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Just picture it - You drive your Subaru, the off-road adventure car company, to a camp site in a remote area. You wake up after a few days of hiking and camping to return to your car.

The battery is dead. If you camp too close to the car, the key fob being close to the car will leave it in a "standby" mode which drains the battery on top of the car pinging the server for updates.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 day ago

Yup, lost a battery to that (2019 Impreza). Pulled the fuse for the modem, and it's been fine ever since. I never used (or wanted) any of those features anyway.

[–] Bryan065@kbin.earth 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

WOW... we were trying to hunt down why my buddy's forestor's battery kept dying....

We even disconnected the wire that tells the alternator to stop charging the battery...

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I'll never but a vehicle that requires cloud connectivity for anything. Not a problem!

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 54 points 1 day ago (66 children)

Well, most cars don't REQUIRE it, but most cars lose features if it doesn't have network connectivity.

Good luck finding a car made after 2020 that doesn't have at least one or two features that require the Internet to function.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 23 hours ago

it bricks permanently.

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