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[–] 404found@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What if you copy it into word or notepad and then open another program and post as text only?

[–] SamDuede@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

The watermark is in the word choice, it's not in hidden characters or Unicode characters.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I wonder how many people will be identified as AI because they used AI so much they started constructing sentences like AI.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if they did this to appease the EU or just to have a way to prove in court that a specific competitor distilled their model using claude

[–] Neocorporation@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Sell access to Turnitin and the likes for a small fortune. They are all but required to pay whatever the price is.

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

How does this survive variation in temperature? Also I wonder if it's possible to fine tune this behavior out.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Although this looks like a clever approach, a kind of stochastic key, I do not see how this guarantees to distinguish text written by big babble machines versus humans. Humans also have a certain pattern of writing, a given distribution of how some words are more likely to appear than others. How can one tell them really apart?

As an indicator, yeah, might be usable. But I wouldn't read too much into it before seeing results of a study that runs actual tests.

[–] Neocorporation@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I thought the article explained that pretty reasonably on a scale of probability and weight. The longer the text, the more reliable the scoring.

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting stuff. My own far less scientific reading of the article itself seems to fittingly suggest it too is largely if not entirely AI generated, which I guess would make sense.

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 1 points 58 minutes ago

95% AI text agree. It reeks.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 12 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not convinced that they even know 100% how Anthropic is doing it. I can think of an easier way that doesn't corrupt the text: just find a bunch of tokens where there is a good spread of token possibilities, and the more often the most likely one is chosen, the more likely it's AI.

That being said, it doesn't seem much different from what any of us do to identify AI text — it has lots of tells anyway.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 6 points 11 hours ago

do to identify AI text — it has lots of tells anyway

I see what you did there.

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's how AI testers work and its why they don't. Most forms of formal writing are predictable by design. If the AI can predict predictable formulaic writing, it doesn't mean its AI, its probably just any form of professional writing other than fiction.

Famous public domain works will always be considered AI by those tests, because of course your LLM knows the american national constitution. It was in the training data, so it can predict it with 100% accuracy, therefore your test wrongly calls it AI.

Testing for AI writing that way does not work.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago

The difference between what you describe and what I describe, is that a 100% match isn't a hit. Nor is a 90/7/2/1. You need something with meaningful variability. Even within formal papers there are places where word choice is arbitrary as the article explains.

Of course, you're lacking the context of the full prompt and just feeding in the raw text. Again it gets way more reliable the more text you have.

But it's moot because the more text you have the more tells will sneak in and you probably don't even need an AI checker. Those phrases that AI loves but humans use comparatively rarely. It's not a tell — it's the whole game!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well shit, that was fuckin’ interesting.

Yes, AI is evil. So is facebook. But the engineering is still interesting.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's one of the things that frustrates me most about this whole AI thing. I fucking hate it and I want it to die, I wish it were never created in the first place. But from a tech enthusiast and a maths nerd point of view, it is super interesting.

Like the performance of these models is shit compared to a real person doing actual work. But if we think about what we are doing on a basic level, the performance is way beyond what I would expect it to be. I wouldn't expect it to be able to form a coherent sentence or scale as well as it does (even though the resources required to run these is still very high).

It could have been really cool shit people did studies on and played around with to explore the math. Cool little play models we could let go on a bunch of data and see what it did and how. Something for a small group of nerds and experts who are into that kind of thing, for the sake of learning and nothing else.

But no, somehow it got transmorphed into "AI". And marketed like this actual learning almost sentient computer system that can replace all workers. You can ask it anything and it will give PhD level expert answers. Oh and it's run by a handful of the most vile men imaginable who pour all of the world's money and resources into it, all so they get to be god emperor of the world. Fucking terrible.

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 hours ago

The emergent behavior in huge models where it can “reason” instead of simply predicting the next token is fascinating. Artificial “neurons” built on statistics and linear algebra emerge to create something that legitimately has artificial intelligence. ANNs were conceived in the 1940s, building on centuries of development in statistical modeling and only now do we have the compute power to make this vision a reality.

Yes, the “intelligence” has significant limitations and won’t be replacing human intelligence anytime soon, but it can actually be a useful tool if its limitations are kept in mind.

The problem is of course the tech bros turning centuries of innovation they had no part in developing into a massive Ponzi scheme for their own profit.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

AI isn't evil. Generative AI isn't evil. AI has existed for 20+ years now, I studied it back in my uni days.

Corporations, how they trained it, how they use it now, how they are willing to pave the planet to force it down our throats is evil.

This is one of those things as tech people we have to come to terms with and understand. No technology is inherently good or evil, it's what people do with it.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago

Well, yes. You just said AI is evil because capitalism made it evil.

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[–] gwheel@lemmy.zip 65 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Assuming a checker tool is public it's enough for a teacher to verify classwork, but AI providers having the sole ability to identify generated content with no way to independently verify is not a real solution.

Plus this site advertises a tool to remove this watermarking, so it can't be that hard to scrub out if you're aware of it.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The goal is to ensure that they don’t inbreed their models, not fix the problems they’ve caused.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This won't fix the inbreeding issue, anyway. The bias is extremely slight, but random, and orthogonal to Claude's own "slop patterns" and tendencies. And theres tons of other LLM content that will end up in their dataset outside their control.

Besides, as much as Claude accusess others of it, everyone's training on everyone else's output and they know it.

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[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 51 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I thought declaude would be like degoogle.

Nope, turns out what they do is precisely the opposite. They try to remove those described markers. Real scummy.

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[–] antianarchist@sopuli.xyz 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
  • Only the key-holder can check. Your teacher, editor, or favourite "AI detector" website cannot run this test; a genuine check needs the provider's secret key, or a checking service the provider runs. Google runs an early-access detector portal for SynthID; Anthropic says detection tooling is forthcoming.

I am not so sure about that. The amounts of words is finite and with enough text, you will see that certain words are used more often, especially in certain combinations. I believe people will brute force this and then create a way to destroy the watermark again.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

with enough text, you will see that certain words are used more often

Which is also a thing humans do.

[–] antianarchist@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago

Absolutely! We all basically do fingerprinting. We’re just not really conscious about the key we are using. But with a bit of statistics, you could identify people.

[–] trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, they can't easily rotate keys, because the text can't tell you which key was used.

They could switch to a new key e.g. every month and then just check every previous key during detection. But that would slowly increase the likelihood of false positives, so no idea if that's a good idea either.

[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But it doesn't work. It looks like only the owner of the text generator is able to check if some text is written with this concrete generator (with some probability). I see no use of this technique.

[–] fluxx@mander.xyz 18 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It works for them not scraping their own slop back into training data. I assume that is actually the real purpose of the system. They don't want to share the key with the public. But they probably will with other llm companies in exchange for theirs.

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[–] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Great article. I wonder if the same markers can be used to detect AI generated code (if you suppressed comments).

As, code requires a much more rigid syntax, compared to free flowing docs.

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