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DKIM, DMARC, SPF, rDNS/PTR, EHLO... all correct and verified in the email "original source," BY GOOGLE. Still goes to SPAM folder because **** you, apparently. I hate Google.

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[–] Nester@feddit.uk 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I self-hosted my own email for a few years, everything was set up and reporting correctly, but Google just would never have it. I think the worst is it would be a bit inconsistent.

Anyway, I switched to an email provider with my own domain and it's much more reliable. That is until this week, I have noticed that some services are rejecting my domain. I think there is some whitelisting nonsense going on, but in those instances I just use an alias and that seems to work.

I just want to have control of my data!

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Most email providers block new domains... You need to have the DNS records up for like 2 years before they start getting accepted... Or contact all the big doers to get yourself whitelisted

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[–] Raccoon_Rick@altgag.net 10 points 3 days ago

Self hosting an email server to send mails that don’t get flagged as spam is a nightmare, I’d rather not attempt doing it again. My Lemmy instance is using SMTP2Go and the free tier is more than enough for my current sending capacity needs

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I also self host email and so far haven’t had any problems. Initial setup was annoying but it’s required zero effort this past few years, and I don’t think my emails land in spam folders. Maybe I can help?

Shoot me a message at test-message-lawrenceOfSuburbia@mspencer.net (which I’ll delete after it gets a message, for obvious reasons) and I’ll take a look. (I misspelled the name, I apologize, no insult intended)

Honestly I think I’ve received 10 spam messages in the last four years, and five have been from gmail addresses (Best Buy invoice spam) in the past two months. I submit each one to support.google.com/mail/contact/abuse and hopefully it helps.

[–] zorro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago
[–] artifex@piefed.zip 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I might be out of the loop on how email works, but doesn’t it hop between several other email servers on its way from Alice to Bob (and at least some of it must still be unencrypted)? If so and given google’s scale you could probably just assume that even if they’re not your inbox they’re going to be at least handling many if not most emails along the way.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 6 points 3 days ago

Depends. Usually not. It hops from your computer to your email provider which then looks up the server of the recipient and sends it there. The recipient's server might send it on internally and in big installations probably does so.

It is theoretically possible that one of the involved parties has a third party authorised to accept mails on their behalf in case of outages. I don't believe that is very common nowadays. It's much more likely that your provider will keep the mail for a few hours to days when it can't reach the recipient.

But ideally only your provider and the recipient's provider can read the mail with all connections in between being encrypted. There's just no guarantee that all paths are encrypted. But I think nowadays that is much more likely than it used to be, thanks to Let's Encrypt.

Now, if you don't want any of the servers to be able to read the mail you have to encrypt it with something like GPG. But for that to work you need the recipient's key. But hardly anyone uses that. And it only encrypts the content of the mail. Not the metadata.

[–] 69420@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

If you control the DNS and the mail server, you get to decide where it goes. However, if any senders or recipients are on gmail, Google basically has all of those emails' content.

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That was the theory, nowadays moest email goes from google or microsoft to google or microsoft. At least 99% of the rest goes directly from the senders provider to the recipients provider. Afaik none of the larger providers still accept non-TLS connections.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Probably bad place to ask but.

Self hosting email is complicated only for sending mails or for receiving mail it's also hard?

Depending on what you want to do you might not need to actually send any mail.

Also, the anti-spam rules do also apply if you are answering a mail, I suppose it does as a response envelopement doesn't have any evidence that it's an actual response. But I have no experience self hosting email.

[–] badrihippo@fosstodon.org 6 points 3 days ago

@daniskarma @laurenceOfSuburbia yeah the complication is not technical so much as bureaucratic. Email itself is simple, but then you have to jump through hoops of tuning various other technical settings for Big Email to allow you in

I think it's usually to do with sending, so if you're only interested in receiving I think you'll be fine (unless your server uptime's really bad or something)

[–] mystik@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Self hosting receiving mail is honestly, pretty straightforward, all things considered. Setup your MX record to point at a server you control, configure software to save messages however you want. Perhaps the most complicated step is wiring up certbot or similar software to get your SSL certificate for your mailserver. A Debian Linux system, apt-get install postfix; apt-get install dovecot will get you nearly 90% of the way there.

Depending on your preference. there are docker containers that can do 100% of the process too, with all sorts of nice bells and whistles. If you don't care about sending email, you can skip DKIM/SPF/DMARC. (though, if you are never sending from your domain, check here: https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/dns-records/protect-domains-without-email/ -- there are some entries you can add to DNS to make sure everyone else knows)

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