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Jon von Tetzchner, CEO and founder of Vivaldi Technologies, refuses to integrate AI features in its browser and wants human engineers, not AI, to write its code.

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[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

If we ignore privacy and open-source considerations for a moment, Vivaldi has been one of my favorite browsers. They embraced vertical tabs, they offer customizability instead of forcing everyone into the same mold, and it doesn't have all the anti-features (AI specifically) that some other browsers have.

I'm gonna give them a high five while continuing to use LibreWolf/IronFox.

[–] norealme@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Imagine that tomorrow Tetschner goes crazy and starts dating a Chinese spy. Or joins the Trumpist sect...

[–] AvaMadison_27@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I think AI should be a choice, not something every browser has to push on its users. Everyone has their own preferences.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

So just the way Firefox does it? Only local models, all configurable?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

The recent controversy on House House makes me (only a little) worried that for the next century, most people will be hardline 100% never-AI, instead of just "Stop shoving it everywhere, stop copying artwork". As people like Bernie have said, it's an automation technology that can have nice effects should those use cases receive careful consideration. We just don't often get that consideration.

I will never understand why the push to AI was so freaking AGGRESSIVE. Like, take it, shove it down your throat, avoidance of AI is BANNED, type of bullshit. It should speak for itself when it works.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Im never leaving zen, its been stable for a while now, was so ass when I started using it, now I never lose anything, forgot it used to be rough

[–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Does the vimium plugin work on zen yet? That was the only pain point that was holding me back from switching last time I tried it.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

I will always advocate ai for shit like this, just make it work yourself, debug it by using it. Make it show you it's work, sometimes it's a simple edit, have it avoid restructuring and use minimal code. Can easily be done for free. Ik it's obviously preferred to have official support but for things like plugins, I just get to use them now instead of waiting for my issue to never be resolved.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 102 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tetzchner says the company asked its users whether they wanted added AI features, and the response was “no.”

Revolutionary technique, asking if anyone wants a feature before you go all-in on it.

[–] guruofnothing@feddit.uk 10 points 19 hours ago
  • Microsoft enters the chat
[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"it turns out the public hates the culture of corporate greed; let's figure out how to monetize that hate"

also, yall stop saying firefox sucks because all web browsers capable of the bloated standards are de facto corporate controlled

[–] i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 41 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Build Vivaldi on top of Firefox rather than Chrome, and I'm in.

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[–] teslekova@lemmy.ml 223 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Customers don't want it" is surprisingly difficult to understand for a lot of companies nowadays. Vivaldi must be run by some sort of language genius.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 1 day ago (12 children)

It's a private compnay, they don't have to follow shareholders so it explains it

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

based af. I'm installing Vivaldi right now, holy shit.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 39 points 1 day ago

I'm uninstalling it right now!

[–] eightys3v3n@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, loved Vivaldi until it started randomly corrupting my profiles after not starting up correctly. Now I'm back on Firefox -_-

[–] halezinflames@lemmus.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're right. Vivaldi is based

[–] sibannac@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] SwissArmyKazoo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

AI is just a more destructive and environmentally catastrophic NFT.

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[–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 74 points 1 day ago

I'm not switching to Vivaldi, but it is refreshing to see someone say "I didn't put X in the product because people don't want X in the product."

[–] thelpm@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 day ago

I kinda find this idea cool like theres other browsers like Firefox that makes AI optional to choose

[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I'd use Vivaldi if it wasn't chrorium and closed source, sadly it's such a turn off

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I use AI on a daily basis and I don't want AI in my browser. The desire to integrate AI into everything is not smart.

[–] Aufgehtsabgehts@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago

I just vibe code my own browser, with blackjack and hookers.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This ai stuff is like the new clippy the paperclip, GTFO of my phone.

I don't want features just rolled out without my consent.

Long term I will have to install custom roms and get bank cards from my bank again thanks to AI.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I hate the fact that it's so hard to buy an android phone without it coming with a load of proprietary apps that I can't remove. If I want their casino shit, their stupid health apps, whatever - I'll download it myself. Being unable to uninstall it really pisses me off. I'm pretty sure it's practically malware. And the AI shit is just as bad - phone I'm on now came with at least 3 different AI apps for whatever. I did actually manage to remove two, but they keep trying to reinstall, could be hiding behind my launcher. And I bought this phone 2 years ago, I can only imagine it's even harder to get away from these days.

Maybe I'm out of touch, but I think most people just want an operating system and the opportunity to install what they want on it.

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