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Here's the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):

  1. USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
  2. "Israel" attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA's airplanes though.
  • Why does the USA love Israel so much?
  • What's the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I'm not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What's the USA gaining here?
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[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Its hard to know for certain given Trump's insanity, but my own read on the situation is that they want to permanently remove Iran as a threat to Israel or the US. Basically, destroy the current government, and destabilize the country. What happens after that, they don't care.

It may also be to raise oil prices, but this seems more secondary, given how involved Israel is, and how Trump doesn't really have the subtly to not directly attack infrastructre related to oil.

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[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's a state that's always been hostile toward the US and its interests - both directly and by funding groups that share the same goals as Iran does. Over the past few years, though, the war in Ukraine, Israel's strike on Iran, the US follow-up bombing of their nuclear sites, and the special Maduro operation have all shown that Russian air-defense systems aren't much of a threat to Western fighter jets anymore. So they probably figured that if they're going to do this, now's the time - while Iran's at its weakest - instead of waiting around. Countries like North Korea have dodged the same fate by holding Seoul hostage, but Iran doesn't have that kind of leverage.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It seems naive to think that you could accomplish regime change with only air strikes? America tried occupation, tried training Afghanistan, none of that worked.

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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
  • Why does the USA love Israel so much?

U.S. politicians love Israel for their campaign contributions.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

It's a part of an infinite proxy war between the USSR and their successors Russia and China, against the interests of the USA and Europe.

Iran is a puppet state for China, currently, and they provided weapons and funds for Hamas leading up to the October music festival attack and capture of hostages reigniting the war and consequently the Gaza Genocide. Previously the Russian backed Syria was also a key player but they collapsed recently due to civil war (revolutionaries partially funded by the USA and UK).

Israel is supposed to be the USA's "puppet state" in the same vein, but tbh they're so rogue and don't fuckin listen on anything and they've got so much economic ties to Russia such as Abromovich steel and international distribution that they're just a bad friend that the USA is stuck with because the second best friend they had in the region, Afghanistan, fell due to Trump incompetently releasing 5,000 Taliban fighters from US Custody, and number 3 is Iraq and the USA spent a long time waging war in Iraq for virtually no reason due to Bush incompetence and oil executive greed but I guess we're sort of cool for now.

The USA and NATO often cooperate with Saudi Arabia as a way to fight extremism in the region, though they're not US allies and they are often much more aggressive than the USA are in their tactics.

Basically, the cold war isn't over.

Oh, and, forgot to mention the "why right now" part. Yeah, so, Iranians were revolting against their leaders like a month ago because of famine and drought hitting the region. Now's just the perfect time to strike.

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[–] CactusEcho@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The only answers i can give you without conspiracy theories:

But why now? Why at all?

The top of the Iran administration (khamenei and top military generals) decided the meet in person. Israel found out and bombed the shit out of the building. That's why khamenei and top military generals all died in the beginning of the war.

The negotiations were progressing in a good rhythm and it caught the US (Israel informed US right before the bombing, but there was nothing US could do) and Iran of guard.

Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing?

Iran is the only close country that still keeps an aggressive stand against Israel (mainly by using hezbollah as a proxy). By doing this Israel wants a more friendly government.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

By doing this Israel wants a more friendly government.

Israel knows there will never be a friendly government to them in Iran, Israel knows that hatred for Israel is broad and will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression from Israel. They're hoping to turn Iran into the next Syria, keep them fighting amongst themselves so they can't turn their ire towards them.

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because Israel has a leash around Trump's neck.

This is the answer. This has been like a multiple decade plan by Israel. Nothing to do with the cabal of pedophiles, which it might help. But basically, Netanyahu has always wanted to attack Iran, he's been having Trump do his bidding and has him around his finger.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

"Why is the USA attacking Iran?"

Trump's insecurity:

By associating with "biblical" Netanyahu's "Israel", he gains "validity".

By bombing someone, he gains "authority".

By pretending that his-regime's actions benefit the protestors in Iran, he gains "humanitarian credibility", while warring against the people living in the US's own Democrat states.

By doing all this NOW, he deflects from his being an Epstein-associate who's on evidence for crimes against women, & girls.

See the PATTERN, not just some single-aspect of it, & then it makes more sense.

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[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 weeks ago

Holy Wars by Megadeth is a decent primer

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason

Usually during US election seasons, Israel lobby donates the most and demands a measely $12B in annual aid from the US, which they can recycle into election funding. This is enough to not be too noticeable, but always resulted in Israel first rule over America with total unanimity of political establishment. Oct 7th, meant absolute control of US was needed, and US oligarchy, GOP orthodxy, piled on to Israel first rule as an existential survival strategy. ADL was platformed to denounce woke climate alarmism as quid pro quo for GOP being on Zionist supremacist bandwaggon. Media as always is for Zionazi first rule over America. DNC "donor pressure" was to lose, as bibi embarassed Biden with genocidal extreme.

Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.

Difference between last summer's attack. Yes, both are with US planes. is, back then, the US and gulf colonies played only a defensive role, until Trump declared victory by bombing a mountain, and questioning victory was an insult to the military.

The, US is involved from the start, now, mistake, because Israel was going to do this anyway rationale, exposes US defense of Gulf colonies, and global economy, as an impotent lie, and keeps Trump from declaring victory in a tie.

Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing?

Their only realistic hope for Israel is that so much destruction and chaos in Iran turns it into post war Iraq or recent Syria terrorist power centers, and can be weakened for decades.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. The US gives Israel money, not the other way around. The Israeli economy would crash if it wasn't constantly being propped up by the US.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I mentioned this. The US as a country gives $ to Israel. Israel cycles some of that money back to US politicians/lobby groups. In addition to pure fanatical supremacism motivating the funding of Israel control over US rulership.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For a long while after the Iraq debacle, I was predicting that Iran would be next, and it just kept not happening.

I guess even the right-wingers of the time were too level-headed to want to open that can of worms.

Heck, even Trump didn't go there during his first term. I had accepted that I had been wrong.

So, of course, this time, the crazy old narcissist has gone and done it.

(This reads like I feel like I could have done something to prevent it. I know I couldn't, I'm just some random guy, but I still feel like I took my eye off the ball.)

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I've been predicting Iran as the real target since the first gulf war

People forget that the only reason Iraq wasn't wiped out in the war with Iran in the eighties was US backing

American troops were confused to find Iraqi soldiers with US weapons, they forget their history so quickly

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

US sees China as it's main rival, Russia as Europes headache. Iran, Venezuela, Nkorea, cuba as minor annoyances that support China.

Worst case Denies China cheap oil imports for a while when both Iran and Russia are too weak to do anything. Also denies Russia some war materials. Best case scenario the protests reignite and replaces the regime with something less US hostile.

US sees Israel as the most reliable ally in the region, because all their neighbours hate them and they must stick with the US. A strong Israel lets US dictate much of what goes on in the middle east.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

how will the US support it's many many gun factories and research if there is no war? Don't forget a large part of american economy revolve around the war machine.

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Gives them a pretense to give money to the weapons industry -> weapons industry has higher profit -> stock goes up -> Dow Jones is over 50k, which makes their other crimes legal.

[–] dumbass@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Its a lot of things all at once, theres the control of the oil, control of a shipping route, undoing what the cia did, then theres also the biblical side where they are trying to fulfil prophecies to bring on the second coming of Jesus (to probably install a figurehead to use to control people), also this helps Israel get the biblical lands back, which they so obviously want, also they want to get rid of the Shiite Muslims across the world, also theres real estate opportunities for these rich assholes to cash in on, like they're already out doing with gaza, the board of peace is just an auction house. It also distracts from the failing economy and the tariffs, the ice Gestapo, the authoritative fascist dictatorship that the US has become, the technocracy thats being implemented to replace the current system, its also a giant man baby who keeps getting his ego bruised, who will punish the haters for their slights against him, could be he's full blown Dementia boy now and no ones stopping him from doing insane shit. Could legit be a peace operation, but the last one's more of a fantasy than the others.

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