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Here's a little schematic to understand the layout. Help me figure out this mistery, not only to satisfy my curiosity but also to know if the cats in my street are in any danger.

Before reading and to avoid triggering any of you, my cat is fine and he was asking for belly rubs in the sun on my backyard just now.

So, I live in the house with the backyard with the B. My cat occasionally hangs around my neighbor's backyard too. At curfew, if he's outside, I come calling and he comes in.

Last night I called him in the backyard at B and he didn't come but he was replying terrified. I know his meowing and this was "I can hear you, I'm scared, help me". I couldn't see him since only my backyard had any light. Every time I called he replied immediately in the same panic. That by itself wouldn't scare me since he's very anxious and easily startled. Once he entered the neighbor's house and got locked in and he was yelling for me from inside the exact same way. But this time was different. The sound came from the outside the house, somewhere around the circle in A. And always from the same exact place. It really seemed he was stuck, he was definitely not budging.

I went around the house through the empty terrain (blue arrow) with a flashlight to see if I could see him and figure what was wrong. As I started moving through the low vegetation I heard and somewhat saw some movement in C in the direction of the arrow. I called my cat again and he was no longer replying. I looked inside my neighbor's backyard and saw nothing.

I went back into the house. My mother was in the backyard (B) calling my neighbor. She said she saw nothing but heard a huge noise inside the house near the backdoor. The description of the noise sounded a lot like my cat running in panic. After a while looking for him inside and outside we eventually found him hiding behind furniture, peeking very cautiously. It took a while but he recovered. He has no injury or any kind mark of any struggle on his fur.

What I'm pretty sure happened:

  • He was around A completely terrified of something and was not budging
  • At the moment I entered the empty field whatever C was, it ran from me
  • Also at that moment, my little demon flew through the fences and into my backdoor so quick my mother couldn't even see him and made a huge noise running for his life (as he often does)

What I have no clue and want to find out:

  • Most important, what the hell could C have been?

  • Was my furry murderer frozen on fear or was something actually physically preventing him from leaving

  • How long was he "stuck" there until I came calling him for curfew?

Some relevant information and, since I know some you are against leaving your cats going outside:

  • My cats are indoor/outdoor, as most are here, and they can come and go as they please, though mine mostly stay inside and in my backyard. The cat in question explores just a bit more, but not much.

  • At night, they have curfew and are inside only, and they know that routine

  • It's a calm street and the cars are slow. Also, for specific reasons my cats are terrified of cars and they even hide when they hear an engine.

  • There are no known cat predators here. This is southwestern Europe in a 500k city suburb. There is a small woodland near here which I know very well and the most dangerous thing there is a hedgehog (I actually had one living in my backyard for a year). A fox is very unlikely since I never saw one here. But I have seen foxes in stranger places.

EDIT: Why does every post mentioning a cat outdoors has to be hijacked by the indoor cat fundamentalists? Really, guys? You have the right to your opinion and even to make your argument. But why you have to hijack every post to say your piece for the nth time? It's annoying as it is ridiculous.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 61 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (15 children)

In North America I would guess coyote, in Europe, I would guess a fox or feral dog chased him until he found somewhere to hide from it.

Could also just be another cat. Big Tom cats have a tendency to chase other cats around.

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[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 35 points 5 days ago (20 children)

Do we need a separate "Non-American Cats" community, so non-American people can ask cat questions without half the thread being derailed by all this indoor/outdoor argument?

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Do non American cats not contract FIV, get hit by cars, destroy the local bird populations, and have lower lifespans than indoor cats?

This isn't about America, as much as you & OP want to make it seem like. It's about doing the right thing for your pets.

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[–] nooch@lemmy.vg 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Indoor/outdoor argument is universal and for good reason.

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[–] HexagonSun@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 days ago

Yes!

With explicit rules against even mentioning this.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago

Unless you're in or around Turkey, your cat is an invasive species that damages the environment. I don't care what your opinion is on the subject. This is a fact. I'm sure your cat is perfect and never causes any issues though.

You can be fine with letting your cat cause these issues. That's a choice you get to make, just as you can pour fat down your drain. You're causing a burden on others, but that's your choice. You can justify it however you like to yourself, but you're the human and you chose to have the cat. It's on you that your cat is an issue.

I live cats. They're great animals. They're also not a thing the rest of the ecosystem has adapted to handle. Once your cat is killed/eaten then the ecosystem is healing.

This isn't even mentioning indoor cats live longer healthier lives. Be selfish and keep them indoors.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 21 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Keep your cats indoors if you value their health and respect your neighbors

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

or just appreciate birds.

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[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

New big neighbouring stray that bullied your cat. Cat often will not move from another cat, and will have staring competition with them, but this time the competing cat might be larger so your cat is afraid but will not budge because that cat will give chase if he run. Cat will often run from any other animal but not cat, they will have a staring competition.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

Coddled cats can be afraid of any animal larger than a baby rabbit, it wasn't necessarily a rational fear. My last cat was afraid of a cat that was afraid of him, both were very cuddly wusses. When they crossed each other's paths, they'd both be stuck in place meowing at each other for a very long time, and my cat would ask for help when he heard us.

When the other cat wasn't afraid of my cat, things went differently: the other cat would silently look at my cat for a few minutes to take his messure, charge him, and my cat would go up a tree or come running to us if possible. No long standoffs, just a few minutes of noise (from my cat) and then flight.

Given how long your cat was trapped by this unknown animal, I suspect that your cat's adventure was probably a non event and that your cat was afraid of something that wasn't actually aggressive.

Foxes are everywhere in Europe, also in suburbs and cities. They're just nocturnal and there's not that many of them compared to house cats/dogs since they have to fend for themselves. Non sick foxes won't go out of their way to attack adult cats, even if those cats are afraid of them.

[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (11 children)

I'd like to defend the Americans who keep their cats indoors and strongly oppose outdoor cats. If you live in most areas of the US your cat has a good chance of being eaten by a larger predator. It's pretty normal for cats to be attacked by coyotes, bobcats, feral dogs, birds of prey and even raccoons. All of those predators and worst of all humans in cars, we have a lot of them and we go fast. I am part of a couple community FB groups and they'll get a post a week of a dead cat found on the roadside. If it sounds like our roads are just covered with dead animals, you are right. There is death on every shoulder.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 5 days ago

All cats should be indoor cats. Even if there are not predators, they can be and disrupt the local bird and lizard population.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes. Cats here should be indoor cats. Even in the city there are raccoons, coyotes, alligators, dogs in people's yards, and CARS. I let them out briefly and supervised, sometimes, to catch a lizard if they are watching them out the window. Or as others say, occasionally on a harness to wander the garden, and eat a little grass.

Obviously that's not always possible, there are feral outdoor cats that sometimes show up, the city has a spay/neuter and release program for those.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago

No! You don't understand! The cars here drive slowly, and pookums can recognize the noise!

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[–] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 24 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As others said most likely another cat. Could have had yours locked in a defendable spot until you approached and it run away. From your description its most likely a cat. Could have been a stray, just wondering in, or unneutered male.

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This thread and the "indoor cat" fundamentalists is rich... honestly it's like hearing eugenics people sometimes.

There are a wide range of options between "indoor" and "wandering mass murderer". Have the 'murriKKKans here ever heard of walking your cat on a leash? (Like, honestly. It helps so much with preventing them from going to places like Up The Tree, and they can enjoy the outside within a fair range)

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Obviously people are fine with cats on a leash ya dingus

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Definitely sounds like a chupacabra encounter.

[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 18 points 6 days ago (17 children)

Cats should not be allowed to free roam for more than the reasons you tried to preempt. For one, everyone thinks their cat won't get hit by a car right up until it does. "calm street and the cars are slow" works right up until it doesn't. It only takes once. They're also exposed to more diseases and parasites. The average outdoor cat lifespan is nearly 3x less than an indoor only cat.

But, furthermore, your entire preemptive defence is also just selfish. Outside/unleashed is a danger to the cats, but the cats are also a danger to the outside.

Please, please, please keep your cats inside, and if you want to let them out do so responsibly on a leash with supervision. This is directed at everyone reading, not just OP.

[–] kobra@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Agreed with this. I love cats and want them to live long, safe, and happy lives inside.

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[–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago

Honestly, it's possible that your cat knocked something over in your neighbor's yard and panicked. It'd sound like something big and scary, which would cause the cat to hole up and yell to be saved - and then when you came around the corner, perhaps thought that the 'big scary monster' was coming without knowing it was you.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

OP is in Germany. You can't even adopt a cat if it's not allowed to go outside.

[–] vermeil@feddit.org 15 points 5 days ago

I'm from Germany and you can definitely adopt an "only indoors" cat.

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 12 points 5 days ago

In Australia we are going in the other direction towards cats are indoors only unless you have a completely enclosed outdoor 'cat run' kind of space.
They are absolutely decimating local fauna and free roaming domestic cats & feral cats is a big issue in some areas pushing species toward endagered status.

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Not Germany but it's normal to let your cats come outside as they please (if the place is safe of course).

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[–] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 days ago

It's nesting season now. Keeping cats outside pretty much means easy and fun hunting on fledgelings.

Now, altruistic feelings aside, in addition to somewhat endangered tits and not really endangered sparrows, there are birds that are totally lethal for cats. Some of those, like owls, are often really hard to spot for an untrained human, for they are very fast and make no noise. Others, like crows and seagulls, are just very fast and devious. And they would totally try to do anything in their power to prevent the hunting for their babies, from instilling fear, to physical damage of various severity (that they could also inflict onto humans, I guess rarely lethal in Europe, but eye traumas happen; I know of conflicts between humans and crows where government had to resort to inviting professional military sniper to settle it. Hunters know not to mess with owls lest they are fine losing their face, literally.).

So this is just another theory that does not require cat predators and quite fits the setup described.

My neighbors keep cats outside; those look scared to death most of time this season - for a good reason, there is an extremely hungry owl family learning to fly here (that only I and people on Fediverse who saw my shitty smartphone pictures know about). Those are an addition to everpresent lynxes, a bear, and at least one wolverine, yet it's never this scary for them as now, it seems.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I know it sounds a bit dumb, given everything, but being able to let the cat go wander would be the main reason I'd want to move to Europe.

Where I live we've got packs of dogs, coyotes further out, and cars and assholes as far as the eye can see. Outside cats here live to two or three years.

I actually looked into it, but the quarantine is brutal. I just think it's neat y'all can do that.

Sorry that wasn't super helpful. You could always try sticking a go pro on the collar.

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[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago

Could be a cat ?

Or one of those :

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago

Easy solution: keep your cats inside.

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