This guy is gonna get himself shot by angry residents. I've never been to a county meeting before in my life, but I can't imagine just telling people to fuck off when they come to voice their opposition to issues in their town/city.
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Aw, shooting him is too easy. There's lots more to do before that.
Does he own a business on main street? Be a shame if his big plate glass window got broke. Then got broke again. And again...
His tires keep getting leaks, because nails keep showing up in his driveway. His car keeps getting keyed. Somebody turned the hose on at his house, and it ran for three days, flooding his backyard, and running his bill up a couple of hundred dollars. Somebody poured gasoline on his lawn spelling "FLOCK?" Rumors have been spreading about extramarital affairs, his AND his wife's. Online reviews for his business have cratered.
Maybe he'll feel like talking at the next county meeting.
If not, maybe things start to burn.
I can imagine other politicians shaking in fear and rethinking their despotic policies because their counterpart met a miserable end of somebody keying their car. Well, I say "somebody", but they exactly know who, because of the flock cameras. But even if they catch this one, there will be MILLIONS behind them, with their keys ready to make their foes suffer through mild to severe annoyance.
I guess they will retailate with something DUMB and ineffective like killing us all in the concentration camps. Amateurs.
ironically all of these things would be used as justification for more surveillance
This shit has been going on for decades.
As long as there has been local government.
I'm sure there would be videos of civil rights activists and anti-Nazi Party activists being dragged of their their respective town halls if cellphones existed back then.
They need to be reminded that The People ARE the government. It’s ours. All of this belongs to us.
Then everyone gets up and leaves. And next time vote blue.
Jeezus pleezus. Even county commissioners think they have autocratic, dictatorial powers. It amazes me how little power given can lead immediately to corruption. How do we get a new generation of morally righteous, benevolent, empathic people to run for government in the midst of all this dark nonsense?
It is also due to these lower end governments getting used to no one showing up for any of their meetings. Normally the only people that will show up are the local wingnuts, so they treat everyone as one.
I am in small town government and this happened right in front of me. Even valid issues are treated with the same contempt as the lady that wants us (the town counsel) to "do something" about those damn chem trails.
Make autism mandatory to hold public office.
Asheville let some people speak before they greenlighted an Axon contract that they hadnt even seen yet. Voted for it as if Axon had their family tied up in an undisclosed location. It was very weird.
Yes, we will.
Funny thing about American voting: for all the ways that people insist voting doesn't matter, the one place in America where one vote travels the absolute farthest is in a small town election, and right next to that are county elections, for positions like these.
County sheriffs are often elected, as are county commissioners; who gets elected and who gets appointed depends entirely on applicable state and local law. But even if both of these positions are appointed in Madison County, North Carolina, where this debacle took place, the appointer will almost always be an elected official, like a mayor.
In other words, there is in fact a place where the buck stops in local politics, whether it's with the mayor or the commissioner or the sheriff or all of the above, and everyone who lives there already knows exactly where it does, especially in a back wood county in the hills like this one.
Add the fact that the meeting was already full of angry people, people who cared enough about the whole thing to make the drive into the county seat and attend, only to be shut up once they arrived.
So while they were silenced at this meeting, it's not over. None of them want Flock cameras, and nobody wants to take the time and trouble to come to a goddamn podunk county commission meeting only to be told to shut up and sit down.
Come election season, any neighbors with short memories will absolutely be reminded of this, in the kind of local election where often every single vote counts.
Yeah, this guy just guaranteed many full meetings instead of just the one.
According to the second paragraph, Flock is a license plate reader.
That is it's stated claim. Tear downs prove that it has more sophisticated surveillance equipment installed and lenses pointed at wider angles to capture drivers photos, pedestrians faces, car makes and models, and send it for processing. It is a wide area dragnet that shares freely with police and ICE.
They are color HD video cameras that store 30 Days of footage when a car or person is detected. They install them in parks and at playgrounds where streets cannot be seen.
A city council in the U.S. does not have to allow a general public comment time. Perhaps there are some states where it is required.
They can also allow public comment only as part of a hearing on a specific matter. Most states require this.
HOWEVER, if they allow an open public comment they cannot censor it.
There are definitely states where it's required. Washington is one, for example. I was too lazy to research more.
But anyway, the details matter. One can easily have public comment but still limit the undesirable speech, as this specific example shows... Is that legal? Depends if you have a good lawyer.
Seems like an opportunity for malicious compliance …. Perhaps everyone can speak up against stifling public input “on matters like F*ck cameras”
I have experience in this. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled on it. If it’s open comment time, they cannot censor except for obscene or threatening speech. All they can do is set a time limit. Don’t cuss or make violent threats and you’re good. If they censor you it’s an open and shut civil rights case.
If it’s a public hearing for a specific matter, they can restrict comment to that topic.
Great, maybe you should start refusing to let these pieces of shit feel safe in public.
No? Not willing to do that? Fine, zero sympathy- you deserve whatever they give you.
Could not be sicker of Americans whining about how victimized they are. This is on you. Yes, I'm victim-blaming, you fucking cowards. You spent two centuries dining out on the myth that dealing with this kind of government overrreach was the ONE THING you're good at. Go fuck yourselves, I could give two shits whether MAGA keeps steamrolling you at this point.
Have you ever heard the phrase "The revolution will not be televised"?
Seems like you just want an excuse to blame americans for not doing enough when all you have is american news from whatever country you're from - but sure - keep holding that reductive belief
We have a Pede police chief who is still breathing here in Serbia as well, and student protests not being televised.
so it would seem that even at the local level, civil SERVANTS are too big for their britches
30 cities have banned flock. I hope the county bans these commissioners. It can be done.
The way these commissioners are acting, I don't think they believe that there's any chance in hell they're going to get voted out of office.
The article quotes a Madison County privacy org directly:
“The Sheriff Office claims they are only using this technology for serious crimes, yet published audit logs tell a different story,” a website called Madison for Privacy says. “Madison County has searched the nationwide database over 1,200 times over just a 60 day period. In a county over only 20,000 residents, its hard to understand what could warrant this many searches.”
Holy shit, they're not wrong. Follow that haveibeenflocked.com link to the Madison County sheriff's office Flock searches, and the accompanying note:
These are some of the searches performed by Madison County NC SO. We have seen a total of 1,216 searches for this agency, performed by 1 person over 62 days between 3/11/2026 and 5/11/2026 (1 user was active in the most recent six months) The most recent import of records for this agency happened on 5/17/2026.
Madison County is southwest of Asheville on the state line between NC and TN, comprised mostly of unincorporated communities, which is a polite way of saying most residents live in the hills, not in the towns. The entire county has a population of roughly 21,000, and the largest town, Mars Hill, has only 2,000 residents. It doesn't get much more rural than this on the East Coast.
So given the population and its distribution, and the fact that the sheriff's office only serves the unincorporated communities because the three towns have their own municipal police, where the fuck does the sheriff's office get cause or even time for what averages out to 600 Flock searches in a month?
But it gets even stranger. I clicked on a few searches, just to see what I could see, and every single one I clicked on with an unredacted reason* was associated with the same two or three other non-local police departments as the source of the information retrieved, two of which were the exact same ones every time: Forest Park Ohio PD, Tifton Georgia PD, and occasionally the Douglas County Nevada SO. There were a couple others, but always at least one of those three. (If you go to the little i next to the other PDs, it tells you, "This audit record appears in [n] different public record files.")
This is true whether I clicked on a homicide, a non-DUI alcohol inquiry, a burglary, a car theft, or a sex offense. No matter what reason I chose, no matter how disparate the crime or the date, one if not all of those three law enforcement agencies came up as the source of the Flock information that inquiry pulled from. And this is the same of every search I clicked on, over and over and over again.
(*The sole exceptions to all this were where the crime itself was redacted, and then the associated source of information was Buncombe County, NC, which neighbors Madison County and could potentially be a valid law enforcement reason to search Flock data.)
And when I selected the Repeat Searches checkbox at the top, defined as "Display filter that hides likely duplicate searches (identical searches within 5 minutes). Does not affect server-side counts or downloads," an even 800 of those 1,216 searches get loaded. So fully two thirds of those searches across two months qualify as duplicates executed within five minutes of each other, to Flock parameters at least. (Or maybe one third, if I'm understanding it wrong; I'm sure someone will be along to correct me shortly.) But that's still a fuckton of duplicates executed within five minutes of each other.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand how it all works on the Flock side, but it almost seems like someone in the Madison County, NC sheriff's office is just sitting on their ass keeping serious tabs on a short list of people living in other places.
it almost seems like someone in the Madison County, NC sheriff’s office is just sitting on their ass keeping serious tabs on a short list of people living in other places.
Probably exes and/or children as Flock abusers keep getting in trouble for.
Who wants to bet that the county commissioner is raking in massive paycheques from flock?
I don't. I think that the wealthy just collectively decided that the poor are the cause of all their problems.
TL;DR: They are all Cryptofascists.
That’s giving them way too much credit tbh, these guys are too far down (technically “up”) the totem pole. They’ve offloaded their critical thinking and public responsibilities to the first company that said the right keywords. And now that they’re entrenched, they defend them because their ego says they must.
It’s fascism via the convenience-stupidity pipeline.
You want to know what's wrong with America? We're pussies now.
That traitor -- and he surely is a fucking treason-weasel -- should not have been able to safely walk out of that meeting after telling the community that they didn't have the god-given right to address their elected officials.