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There isn't one. Local, on-device zero knowledge proof in a cross-platform OSS app. You scan your ID's NFC tag, once. Site only gets "is over 18 y/n" info. We all already have these IDs and they are used for a bunch of stuff, from doing taxes to creating bank accounts.

Agreed. The "parents are too blame" crowd is insane to me. How are you gonna control what your kid does on the wifi hotspot Derek in the last row on the school bus created?

The app (open source, cross platform, completely locally, no photo id, no 3rd parties involved) only provides sites with a yes/no on "is person over 18?", via an on-device zkp.

So good luck pitching a solution that is more privacy friendly than this, because this is pretty much the perfect solution. I'm honestly elated that the EU is releasing this, because it means I'll NOT need to deal with privacy-nightmare situations like in other countries where legislation came before a technical solution. This lays a fantastic baseline for the EU to force companies to use THIS solution for age verification, essentially killing the data harvesters dead.

It always feels like YouTube is double dipping though. Not with what the post is about; that's either/or, obviously.

But Google makes a nice profit collecting user data and behavior, and then selling that to advertising companies. That happens regardless of using an adblocker, and I'd be shocked if it doesn't also happen regardless of YT premium.

But at the same time, Google also IS an advertising company; they use their user data collection platform to also show ads to users, getting paid again.

So personally, even if YT wasn't owned and operated by a shitstain of a capitalist eldritch horror company, I'd still have zero qualms blocking all their ads: they're making money off of me regardless.

Yeah, not having ads in the phone app, the TV app, the music app on the phone or in the browser is really nice, I love it. Also got that for all my friends and family.

Never paid YouTube a dime though :)

Oh right, yes. Sorry.

The (edit: second) Osaka one is just sad. Grief sucks.

Did they still not release the actual torrents though?

And why would they implement it in a somewhat private manner if it could be implemented in a privacy-infringing manner?

I honestly don't think most democratic governments have an interest in making this privacy-infringing. Lobbyists/companies on the other hand... But all the more reason to write legislation that ensures age verification must be handled like this.

That already tells the government that I’m accessing porn because why else would I need to confirm I’m an adult online?

Cinema rickets for FSK18 movie? Ordering alcohol? Gambling? Renting a car?

Basically anything you're only allowed to do as an adult.

But that's kind of why I mentioned, it's just one rough draft for such a protocol.

It should be Dot Dot! But it's Dot Dot Dot! - sanest Bitchard moment

It’s mostly just that I don’t want the government to know precisely which websites I visit. Nor do I want the the porn sites to know exactly who I am.

I understand, I want that too. It's easily possible though (just one example for a scheme):

• you visit porn site
• porn site sends your browser a random nonce
• you/browser tell government service: sign this if I'm >18
• government signs the nonce + a timstamp to prove freshness
• your browser forwards the result to the porn site
• porn site can verify signature per standard public certificate chains
• now porn site has proof that you are >18, but knows nothing else about you; and government only knows that you wanted proof that you are an adult, but not for what site or purpose you wanted to prove that

Alternatively, if we go the "device has an age bracket field browsers access" route, it's even simpler, and just as if not more privacy preserving.

In that case: sorry to blow up on you. I have seen to many comments on here claiming these things while being 100% serious. I just saw your comment and incidentally had time to write the above for once, so, here we are.

I agree that there's no way to completely cut teens off from porn. Your torrent example is perfectly demonstrating this.

But I also do not understand the current outrage at anything trying to improve the situation, even when it's not some stupid "scan your face" scheme.

I'd also like to think so. In this case though, this was clearly not what was intended, and also involved a lot of porn.