Which is exactly why a revolution hasn't happened yet. Revolutions do not occur until every other option has been tried and the people find their circumstances utterly intolerable. I advocate for revolution because we will eventually reach that point and need to be prepared for when that revolutionary potential is ripe. I need people to understand that the class division of society cannot be overcome by using the tools handed to us by the ruling class, that we must make our own through a vanguard party that can turn revolutionary potential into directed revolutionary action. I am not saying REVOLUTION NOW because we are not organized enough and the national proletariat are not so desperate. I am saying revolution is the only way however, as awful as it will inevitably be.

Edit: i want to stress that premature revolutions are dangerous. The premature revolution in the Weimar Republic contributed to the rise of fascism. Which is again why professional revolutionaries in the form of a vanguard party is necessary. We must have people who make revolution their life so that they understand how ready we are in a way the average person does not.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz -2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Well, just look at the majority of people and their ideology. The next revolution, wherever it happens is going to be fascist. The only thing we could do is propaganda (and even that is really hard to do well).

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fascist don't "revolt" because they do not inact revolutionary change. They preserve the existing dominance of capital. They also aren't the majority of people, they only seem that way in the western context. Most people do not live in imperial core nations. The next big revolutions will come out of Africa, Latin America, and Asia. These revolutions will weaken the imperial states to the point that they to can be revolted against (imo)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Fascists are not revolutionary, they seek to entrench the present system violently. This is why voting cannot stop them, only revolution can.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, but if the revolution happens, they will definitely make it fascist. That's what I was trying to say (but I did it somewhat shitily). We really need to be careful to protect ourselves and others in the event of revolution (both from other dangerous people and from fascist ideology).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How would they make it fascist? All of the fascists are organized within the existing state, therefore an assault on the capitalist state would also take out the fascist levers of power. Only organized socialists could take power.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Most people aren't really into ideology (or Wikipedia for that matter). They just figure out the system is the problem. The only people being an actual part of the revolution would ve intellectuals, easy to repress. That would make the revolution from an actual revolution to the people enrolling a Nazi into power and doing nothing else.

Well yes, technically that would just be a repressed revolution. Aparently I just parroted the OP's point and haven't added anything that important. Shit.

But the ruling class doesn't have to do an organized attempt of repression, they can just be done by people themselves.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 hours ago

Any revolution, in order to happen, needs an organized party that is trusted and supported by the rest of the working classes. Rather than being the only ones a part of the revolution, it is the job of the vanguard to lead the revolution. Without that support it's just a coup and would fail.