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[–] Xeno@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 minutes ago

Collapse and revolution are the same thing. And you can’t guillotine anyone, as a rule, without due process at a minimum. Swap out the word “elites” in your comment with any other group name and it should swiftly become clear why.

It’s one of the cruel jokes of the world that those who call for war the loudest are those who’ve never seen it, while those who’ve fought in them are the ones who wait until it’s absolutely necessary to do so again - or who actually appreciate what “absolutely necessary” means.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

It's always "Won't somebody please think of the children?!?!" till kids get shot then it's "eh who cares. That's the price of freedom baby!!!"

[–] Xeno@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The addition of the red hat means the people pictured actually support the elites in question.

Having said that, you’re talking about violent revolution. Look at basically every example in history. They all get much worse before they get better. The people that need to die, die. Sure. And it’s satisfying because those people historically have grown beyond what conventional institutions of justice could do anything about. Problem is, the revolution doesn’t just stop once the problem is gone. People don’t stop dying, they just stop deserving it.

Point is, people are armed as a desperate last resort that we pray we will never need, because people who’ve actually fought in wars know that outcome is far worse and far more horrifying than any diplomatic compromise would have been. War is not how you solve a handful of wealthy elites who are effectively above the law. It’s how you solve families being executed in the streets or put into concentration camps. We’re not there yet. Though admittedly we’re closer than we’ve ever been - ironically thanks to people in red hats.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 1 points 29 minutes ago

You are not going to get any diplomatic compromises if elites don't believe you can guillotine them. Everything is just going to get worse until you get either collapse or revolution.

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 8 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

I get the point we're trying to make but it's a little disingenuous because the elite has the backing of institutions like the military and police

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago

And somehow people resist around the world even without being armed but keep making excuses for people refusing.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

And somehow the people with red hats and guns end up supporting those institutions

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 8 points 4 hours ago

The military and the police are made up of people (including people in red hats with guns).

[–] PotatoPie@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago
[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 hours ago

They call themselves 'elites' but the vast majority of them have achieved everything in life on zero merit.

But at what cost!?