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This is the thing imo. Come in under “ban ghost guns” but 10 years from now you try to print a new battery door for your remote and get blocked because the design is the property of Samsung.
Fuck Bambu and co, I’ll keep my voron around as long as humanly possible
It’s more about protecting companies like Disney, Nintendo, etc, not replacement parts. 3D printing is rife with copyright infringement, and companies like those would absolutely love a way to block their IP from being printed, or to be able to sue those who do it.
The way I see it, a person can print a company's IP as long as they're not trying to sell it.
What are they going to do, sue me for drawing a picture of mario or making kirby out of clay? Printing for personal use is the same concept.
I could see them going after 3D model designers who post stls of their IP. Personally I think if they're not selling it then it shouldn't be an issue, but I don't think the companies would see it that way, and I don't know exactly where the law stands on it.
This is why they can't simply pass IP laws, but they're sneaking it in with the pretense of "protecting the children" (when most school shootings happen with guns that were legally obtained by the shooter or their parents...)
Yeah, I don’t see how this is a problem. I mean people make all kinds of things without 3D printing. Think of a Star Wars stormtrooper set of armor. People have been making those for decades, and selling them, before 3D printers took over some of the work. I’m sure IP is part of the reason companies want to regulate 3D printing, but I’d also be willing to bet that they want to do the same shit they always do - insert themselves in the middle and force you to pay for designs. Whether it’s a Mario bros. minifig or a replacement knob for your clothes dryer.
I already have a modest library of stls on the nvme ssd in my linux laptop, and they can pry those out of my cold dead fingers, along with my 3D printer that works without an internet connection and I will never connect it to the internet or upgrade its firmware.
I'm like racing to purchase all the tech I might need in the next decade or so before they make it impossible to find non-userlocked hardware without a bunch of obligatory backdoors. It sucks because everything is just so unnecessarily expensive now. I wish I had started sooner but I thought I was being financially responsible at the time by not splurging...
Like I have a DMR and an SDR, a raspberry pi, a few different MCUs, some FPGAs and CPLDs, a collection of various electronic components, rechargeable batteries of various kinds, a couple powerbanks and a portable 30W solar panel. A logic probe, multimeter, gauss meter. A kit for an oscilloscope that I haven't built yet.
Next I want to build a homelab, I'm already working on collecting the things I need for that. I also want to get a higher capacity power bank and a 100W portable solar panel. I want to get a weather station, air quality sensor, geiger counter, etc. I just can't purchase it all at once.
Meanwhile I also need to install all the software packages I would need, or at least download their package builds so I can install them when I need to. I want to make an archive of several different linux ISOs, a library of game assets from itch.io, etc., as many kiwix libraries as possible, etc. etc. etc.
I have this nagging feeling that the downfall of modern society, supply chains, the classic internet infrastructure, etc., is right around the corner, and it feels like a race against time to prepare everything I would need to establish my own little intranet "island" that I could later mesh with others when the time comes. Which also means learning cybersecurity. Sigh...
One person making a Star Wars set of Armor for themself isn’t a worry for Disney.
That person posting the STLs on the internet, allowing millions of other people to make them too, many of who will try and sell the designs and/or finished product, is a worry for Disney.
That’s the beauty of 3d printing, but it’s the thing that IP holders hate - and the IP holders with deep pockets can and do influence legislators.
They do try and sell it though, that’s the problem.
Then they should go after the commercial use of unlicensed intellectual property, not the ownership of a 3D printer...
Don’t for one second think I’m defending these laws and the dolts making them. To them, being able to control what you can print in the first place is 10000000x more powerful than trying to sue everyone that sells them.
..and this is why roght to repair laws need to be enforced heavily. If your stupid joystick is broken on purpose so you can squeeze $100 out of me every 6 months, i have a right and duty to correct it for myself and anyone who asks.
(But fr tho stop buying nintendo products. They absolutely arent worth the moral weight and consumer disrespect. Pokemon is an incredibly lazy rpg design meant to sell toys)
Hate or love Nintendo, you gotta admit Mario Odyssey was a fucking good game; but I'm a sucker for 3D platformers. Personally, I hate Nintendo, but love Mario and Zelda and such, so it's a complicated relationship for me. Like sleeping with your toxic ex every couple of years and then remembering why you left them.
Read the room buddy
Meh, half my comments end up negative anyway. I don't give a fuck anymore
Okay but is one very mid game with decent movement worth the consumer rights violations, palworld legal case, shut down of fan-run tornaments, extremely terrible very bad peer-to-peer internet connection, releasing the exact same console but worse but slightly better... I could go on?
BotW/ToTK was a fun game too, but youll never catch me buying it or a nintendo switch ever.
No, it doesn't justify any of those things; that's why I used the toxic ex analogy. A really terrible company can also make really good games, those are two separate variables. My actual ex took the Switch, and I haven't bought another, but I am sorely tempted by Donkey Kong Bananza. It's pretty low on my priorities though, there's plenty of Steam games to keep me entertained
it was absolutely not, it was a mindless collectathon at best. why are there 700 moons in it but almost none are an actual challenge to get? a video delving deeper into it: https://youtu.be/1X6D39Cd34k?t=3979 (i recommend watching the whole thing (and the previous one https://youtu.be/jQIHqkudgNY) but the timestamp is for mario speciafically)
Nuh-uh, it so to was a good game
i mean if you put it like that...
There is a single light of science and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere.
How long was building your voron? And how much did it cost you?
I would like to do it in the future, but right now time is a big constraint for me
mine the older 2.1 design and scratch built. Hard to say because a lot of parts were grabbed from other projects
If I were starting today I’d just get a kit. The LDO kit is the standard and high quality but pricier.~1500 for 350mm. There’s the formbot kit as well, much cheaper (~800 for 350mm) but not as nice quality wise. Never used one of these kits but that’s the general sentiment on the forums now. West3d also has a kit builder, this is def the most expensive option but if you plan to install a bunch of mods this can save you some money buy bundling them at the beginning (but honestly if you’ve never built one before I’d start with the vanilla build)
Time wise it’s not too bad, sort of. I would say if you’re a tinkerer type person you could build it in a weekend, especially with a kit. However, you may spend quite a bit more time calibrating everything. Like the time from a box of shit to actually printing isn’t terrible, but the time to getting a beautiful dimensionally accurate print is potentially a bit more involved, especially before you get it printing fast (if you pursue such a thing)
That’s honestly the primary reason Bambu is destroying in terms of sales right now (plus aggressive marketing). They are shit bc they are consumer hostile, but they do make good equipment. You can get a solid print right from the first startup. You can with voron too tbf but it’s like comparing an iphone to desktop Linux: the former is easier to setup and has a lot of slick features for use, the latter can replicate almost all of them but takes a bit more time to get going (and because it’s open design can be taken much further once you get the hang of it, vorons can get amazing quality at incredibly fast speeds though tbf some of those mods to get truly fast can be pricy)
Alternatively look on their discord or somewhere like Craigslist/facebook marketplace. I see people sell LDO builds for like 6-900 a lot. Resale is tough because once built it’s a nightmare to ship so they drop value like crazy and then you can (hopefully) get one that’s at least printing decently
I got gifted a Bambu P1S a few years ago, but customization is pretty limited.
I like the idea of the Voron and it's upgradability but the initial time investment was really high for me.
Thanks for sharing your information. I am a tinkering person, so I don't feel lost when doing projects like that, but since I am in Canada, sourcing parts was terrible when I looked a few years ago. The LDO kits seem pricy, but I will look for alternatives. But at least, the option's there.
FWIW from what I’ve read the formbot kit seems to be pretty serviceable, almost 50% less and is still pretty good, though by most accounts I’ve seen the LDO kit is objectively better (for a significant premium)
The nice thing is that I can upgrade along the way, so even taking the formlab kit, I can slowly upgrade the parts if I want to.