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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 82 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"They have backed up their genocidal rhetoric with a program to develop nuclear weapons."

Netanyahu's not in the best position to accuse others of genocidal rhetoric backed up with powerful weaponry.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 21 hours ago

It's good old Projection: every accusation is an admission.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Important to note that it's more than just hypocrisy, it's probably also a complete lie.

https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack#00000197-66c5-d617-a597-7fddbf0e0000

The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon

....

UN nuclear watchdog finds Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations for first time in 20 years

The IAEA flagged that Iran had amassed more near-weapons-grade uranium in its May 31 confidential report.

The report sternly warned Iran was now "the only non-nuclear-weapon state to produce such material" — something the agency said was of "serious concern".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-12/iaea-finds-iran-in-breach-its-nuclear-obligations/105411014

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just like those weapons of mass destruction, way back when in Iraq? I'm shocked, I say, shocked!

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Iran's nuclear program is well documented though.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

Their nuclear program is well documented. The allegation that they are imminently capable of producing or deploying a nuclear weapon is not.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

No need to change nukes to weaponry, Israel has nukes too.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago

Trump started all this shit when he ruined the last nuclear deal in his first term.

He sure is great at fucking everything up, and sowing chaos.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

That's 3 countries and Palestine, which is also a country in my book.

"Defense"

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Are they running out of people to murder in Gaza? Or do they just need someone to fight back, so they can look oppressed?

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neither. Internal politics in Israel threatened to break up the government, and starting a war with Iran was the easiest way to stop that. Can't break up the government now, we're in a state of emergency!

Bibi would sooner burn down all of Israel than step down from power.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, exactly this. He'd rather destroy the entire country than lose power, in part because as soon as he loses power he's likely going to prison for the rest of his life.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Sounds familiar...

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The moment they stop fighting is the moment they have to collectively come to terms with what they have done as a nation. Netanyahoo has to keep it going.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 3 points 23 hours ago

Netanyahoo lmao

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The US is obligated by law, to keep sending them weapons in order to maintain a "qualitative military edge" against all potential threats. This unfortunately incentivizes Israel to maintain a high threat level, in order to increase the amount of weapons it receives.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

obligated by law, to keep sending them weapons

Can you expand on that?

There are agreements but to which extent are they binding? I guess they are not unconditional.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Given the interference in Ukraine's military aid that was also required by law passed by Congress, they are only as binding as the government's willingness to be bound. Congress can repeal it, and apparently the President can just ignore it because the points are made up and the rules don't matter.

[–] Airowird@lemm.ee 3 points 20 hours ago

Welcome to Whose war is it anyway?

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 21 hours ago

The US is obligated by law,

Yea, that's a law we passed, right? One which we could repeal, too?

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Here are the global knock-on effects of Trumpism. The world has been afraid of this for years. And mind you, it's not because the USA is losing its grip, its role of world police. It's because of fucked-up diplomacy dominated by egomania, backing the wrong allies in the wrong way. And being so dumb that you're easily exploitable.

I'm sorry for once again seeing every conflict through USian eyes - Americans do that well enough by themselves - but in this case it's just true. Fuck Trump, Fuck Netanyahu. Let's hope this nightmare ends soon.


From the article:

A U.S. official told CNN that the United States had no involvement or assistance in the Israeli strikes

Um, sure. No involvement at all during the last 8 decades.

And Netanyahu:

"This is a clear and present danger to Israel's very survival. 80 years ago the Jewish people were the victims of a holocaust perpetrated by the Nazi regime. Today, the Jewish state refuses to be a victim of a nuclear holocaust, perpetrated by the Iranian regime."

‌ Of course they stick to that one however nonsensical it has become, considering Israel is the Nazi regime now, inflicting its own holocaust on others.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

“I think it’s been excellent. We gave them a chance and they didn’t take it,” Trump told ABC on Friday morning. “They got hit hard, very hard. They got hit about as hard as you’re going to get hit. And there’s more to come, a lot more.”

This sounds very "not involved"

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 18 hours ago

Can't keep himself from bragging even as his PR people try to tone it down.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You make it sound like slavish devotion to Israel isn't bipartisan.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Because the State department policy is bipartisan because the hegemony is bipartisan

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Crazy that within just a couple weeks Ukraine and now Israel have successfully smuggled drones into a country. Terrifying new vector of war.

[–] tfowinder@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Nowhere mentioned that israel used smuggled drones.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

Sorry I read that in a different report here: https://apnews.com/article/iran-explosions-israel-tehran-00234a06e5128a8aceb406b140297299

Israel’s military said about 200 aircraft were involved in the initial attack on about 100 targets. Two security officials said the country’s Mossad spy agency was also able to position explosive drones inside Iran ahead of time and then activate them to target missile launchers at an Iranian base near Tehran.

[–] pixelkitty@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wonder if this is what the US missiles redirected from Ukraine went to….

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Lol, but the media keeps saying... "Trump was against this! He was trying to work with Iran "

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There isn't a dearth of missiles. This is just another convenient excuse to weaken Ukraine.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Zionist regime is a rogue state. It threatens the security of mankind.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately it also has the backing of a much larger rogue state.

Anyone else shitting themselves about this?

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aw.

Did we get too close to getting along again?

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think Iran, the country that supplies weapons to

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 0 points 12 hours ago

I think I don't like war. Period.

I can realistically understand the reasons given for it, but that's never going to make me like it.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is this going to lead to WW3?

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty sure this is WW3. Just more like FFA rather than teams.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Someone please explain why two middle eastern states trying to annihilate each other is WW3.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget Ukraine and Russia. That's why it's more FFA.

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