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I've been hearing about these for a few years now. Huge if they work out at a large scale.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've been doing some looking into sodium ion batteries for the last couple of months and it sounds like it's going to drastically reduce the price of batteries and sodium ion is more thermally stable and can handle cold temperatures of negative 40 and can handle hot temperatures.

I'm also hearing charge cycle counts around 10,000, which would be something like 20 years worth of battery usage.

The current downside is power density and even that is not terrible as it's pretty close to what LFP does now and They think they can improve it more in the future.

Sodium ion is already being used in some mass market cars that don't need an incredible range, but need to be economical.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If it's cheap and abundant enough you can have overcapacity and it easily lasts 30 years - which apparently is an important breakpoint for infrastructure project funding.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's the maintenance period on lots of infrastructure.

What it means isnthe private investors are more likely to bid to build power storage infrastructure for governments because it's less likely they'll ever have to change out the cells during the contract.

On the flip side, governments would kinda like them to work for 25 years so they'll go 50 years without having to buy new cells.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Heck, if energy density is an issue the use this initially for grid storage, home solar, etc. where a larger size isn’t a huge deal. That would increase existing lithium ion supplies for EVs.

[–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The 210Ah sodium-ion cells deliver up to 218Ah of discharge capacity.

WTF does that mean?

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Either AI slop, someone fucked up the math for the capacity, or they’ve broken thermodynamics and are pulling power out of the ether.

First is most likely, 3rd is the coolest.

If only my other electronics operated at 104% efficiency.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

It's the world's worst ZPM

[–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Badly written, i suspect the cells are speecified to have about 210ah and a real test showed 218ah capacity. That would be pretty normal since you always have manufacturing tolerances. But i think in a good article they would have worded it better if thats the case since not all of these batterys will do 218ah.

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[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The article says that they contain NaCrO₂. That means that, by mass, they are 21% Na, 49% Cr, and 30% O. So I'm curious: why are they called sodium batteries, and not chromium batteries?

[–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 9 points 1 day ago

Presumably because Na+ ions are the active charge carriers.

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 123 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Is this the next big thing? Na. /j

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe they will make a potassium battery, K?

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe, but I want to see Uranium batteries go mainstream, how 'bout U?

[–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Id prefer francium batteries, fr

[–] KeithD@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 days ago

Or gallium hydride? GaH.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Sodium-Ion is already in production at CATL. Been for about half a year if I recall. It's slightly less dense than LFP but it's cheaper and promises to get cheaper yet.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The advantage of Sodium -Ion is that it's cheap, abundant, safe, and can cycle. It's mainly used where large capacities are needed. So industrial, grid scale, stationary types of storage.

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[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're right, they were making a pun about sodium's chemical symbol.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@quokk.au 20 points 2 days ago

Not who you replied to, but thanks for explaining! I saw the /j but still didn't get it. I wasn't a good chemistry student...

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

but it's cheaper

and way less dangerous.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Tja@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago

I have a surprise for you...

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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Archive link: https://archive.ph/Xe3BU

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/unigrid-sodium-ion-battery-tech

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Reload to try again, or go back.

What is this shit? The page loads perfectly, then goes blank. They just fucking pretend to be broken because of some ad blocker or something. Why is the internet getting worse all the time. I don't want you fucking layout, share buttons and other garbage.

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[–] Marija_@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow, an actual innovation and not just growthfroth.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah batteries have been one of the main areas where the real technological advances have been happening in the past decade. That and photovoltaics

[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can we just skip to solid state batteries please?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No one can figure out how to make them without costing a fortune.

[–] MrEff@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, solid state batteries went from being a pipe dream, to being only possible in perfect laboratory settings, to the current state of very real and possible -just expensive. And it has done all of this in about a decade. Just give it time.

[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mercedes will apparently be introducing SS batteries (not to be confused with the SS from Nazi Germany) in 2030. Not too far in the grand scheme of things. Then 2 or 3 years after that every car will have them unless China jumps the gun.

[–] AlmightyDoorman@kbin.earth 2 points 1 day ago

BYD is rumouredo introduce them next year. They filed multiple patents this year and the rumours have been ongoing for years that 2027 is the target year.

[–] MrEff@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You had me at "not to be confused with..." but I'm pretty sure they made the batteries for them too.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Any info about energy density?

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

According to Wikipedia:

Looks like power to weight it much higher, while energy per volume and energy per mass is comparable to existing lithium ion batteries.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, the energy to volume is much less.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

See, that's what I thought, but the wiki article seems to disagree.

Or am I just misreading something?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)

idk about that, the regularly cited reason Na-ion batteries are mainly being looked at for grid storage rather than vehicle applications is their bad Wh/l and W/kg numbers compared to Li-ion. the table in the Na-ion article seems to use "1000W/kg" without a source, and it shows lithium as being about a third of that even though the Li-ion article quotes figures up to 10kW/kg.

seems the editors of the two articles aren't cross-checking eachother.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The "1000W/kg" figure appears to be from Wikipedia, which claims https://www.idtechex.com/en/research-article/sodium-ion-batteries-will-diversify-the-energy-storage-industry/30405 as a source. Wikipedia has the information in a table flagged as "Needs update".

Anyway, most of the lithium-ion chemistry variations drop off relatively fast in capacity over repeated charge cycles (the exception being LiFePo4). If the sodium-ion chemistry is better that way, and drops off less in the cold, it's still worth exploring for vehicle use even if the energy density is a little lower.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

In colder climates, the lower density could be offset by better performance in cold. This is why sodium has made it to large mining trucks.

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[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think they are testing Unigrid battery model 72173207 (terrible name). That is their 210Ah NCO prismatic cells.

I found this spec sheet. No definitive metrics, but someone else could do the napkin math.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

72173207 (terrible name)

That's my daughter's name. It was my great grandmother's name.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Commercialize it? Oh this one could be real

Its already way past its "real" point. Just hasnt really made it to Europe fully. China is already mass producing them for everything.

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