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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 3 hours ago

Fancy being a top economist and therefore being privy to knowledge that is beyond the capabilities of us mortals. We thought the AI was a profitable business, and it turns out it's a giant scam, who would have thought it?

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Regardless, fuck AI and its speculators. Onward the Butlerian Jihad.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 4 hours ago

I think AI could have a good tool for specific purposes and also a very lucrative business if only they had not thrown all that money at it.

The extreme investments forced them to roll it out prematurely over a much larger market that it could ever supply in a meaningful way.

They're trying to force a camel through the eye of a needle.

[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The problem with capitalism is that morons can get filthy rich and make poor decisions.

Example 1: US president.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, look at Zuckerberg, who recently burned billions on his crappy virtual reality project, and is now doing the same with AI.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

The stupid thing is there are already profitable VR games that basically do exactly what Zuckerberg was trying to do. So despite the fact that he could just copied somebody else's homework he managed to screw it up.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The goal isn’t consumer level profits, the goal is to replace workers, this is the first time capitalists are looking farther than quarterly profits. They’re investing in R&D to replace us, not selling a product. We are not part of the plan.

[–] Napster153@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

It's not even capitalism anymore, assuming they expect their peers in corruption to actuallg pay each other and themselves a fair amount.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Together they're on the hook for over a trillion dollars in lease payments, so far, that haven't started yet. They're counting on turning a profit before they need to start paying that back. That's why they're shoving it down our throats, they either make this shit work or they go down in flames.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/ai-data-centre-race-builds-1-trillion-lease-burden-big-tech-2026-08-04/

I'm betting they go down in flames, base on the absolute shit-show "AI" has turned out to be. They keep claiming they have fixed it, or they will fix it, and then it shits the bed again in some public, spectacular way.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 2 points 2 hours ago

For some reason, I find this satisfying and funny. The landscape has been changing. The open-weight models from Chinese labs are getting really good and becoming a serious threat to the closed models from American AI companies.

Interestingly, Google, Meta, and Microsoft — who all have revenue streams outside of AI — recognize the threat are getting more supportive about open-weight models. Anthropic and OpenAI support keeping models closed for "safety" reasons.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I think when they start feeling the flames, they'll also pull us into it. Like selling LLMs meant for exploits and cyberwarfare to the public.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I mean that's 4 companies though, so we're like saying "Microsoft has something like 250 billion in leases"... But they are "worth" over 3 trillion and hold assets worth 2-3 times those leases. Don't think it's enough to sink those large companies, it's just general investing at their scale now I guess.

Personally I think they are all overvalued, but unless all their shit flops quickly, they'll be around in 10 years still.

[–] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 7 points 11 hours ago

Investment shouldn't count as earnings. You're literally borrowing the money...

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 19 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Why is it that almost all big financial situations in my lifetime are Ponzi schemes?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This has Ponzi elements, but it's closer to a multi-company Enron in its structure. They're manufacturing fake revenues through circular investments. Nvidia invests in AI companies and increases their value while AI companies use that investment to buy Nvidia cards increasing its value so, so they invest more in AI, so they buy more cards....

Enron did this by making fake companies to generate fake revenue. Right now the tech sector is all working together on this scheme, so none of the companies are fake, but the revenue is.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The scheme requires an every increasing amount of new "investment" or the whole thing collapses. Is it more then a ponzi scheme? Sure, most normal schemes can't do what these companies can do but at the end of the day the scheme is still very much a ponzi structure.

These (non hardware) companies are not relying on fake revenue, they all post massive losses in AI on the regular and yet like some sort of massive lost cost fallacy the markets still keep investing. Maybe next quarter (insert AI) will start making money, but more likely it will all pop before. And the hardware companies making money hand over fist? They are getting bodied on the market (see the South Korean situation).

None of this is even unexpected or seen as odd anymore, the financial systems, markets, private equity and most funds seem to just treat the situation as normal. I have seen nothing but once in a lifetime financial fuckups every few years since I was in high school, and almost every one is in the end is just some ponzi style scheme that was always doomed to collapse.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The key difference with a Ponzi scheme is that the Ponzi/Madoff investors weren't in on the schemes. They though they were investors in a legitimate enterprise. They had a central figure as the fraudster, wheras Enron and the AI bullshit are institutional-level fraud requiring multiple companies to be complicit.

The new one is the most elegant, because they don't have to break the law to make money on the grift. It also makes it the biggest by far because everyone wants in on the action.

This bursting of this bubble with be catastrophic. Maybe tens of trillions (there's estimated to be about 125 trillion dollars in assets total worldwide).

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago

And the .com bubble the hosing crisis, the banking collapse etc. etc. It all seems like the same scam being redone over and over. Never the same but always alike. And now it seems crime is legal (if you have the capital backing).

I really hope at some point in my life the fuck ups have some lasting consequences.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Usually it’s because someone needs the line on a chart to go up… no matter what.

American big tech hasn’t had a breakthrough technology equivalent to PCs, Smartphones, internet, etc. in ten years. Their latest forays into smart Watches, Smart glasses, VR that stupid virtual world Meta pushed… none of it has seen real adoption or growth.

They needed AI to be a hit to continue justifying their stock prices. The only way they can justify their stock prices now is if sales for AI become a 2 or trillion dollar industry. The only way you do that is by replacing humans. Human jobs go away and corps pay for AI tokens instead.

But it hasn’t panned out that way and so far and all you have are AI companies passing around the same dollar and booking it as revenue on their P&Ls. That will work for a little while but it isnt a industry.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 13 hours ago

Fortune is part of this bubble. They helped create it by encouraging top management to ride it... And even here they still do "he said" reporting.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like everyone knows it's a bubble but that people are expecting it to be like the Dot-com bubble where a small amount of companies succeed, hoping that they invest in those companies.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

That's pretty much what is driving the entire AI "boom". It's the Amazon effect.

Amazon, and Netflix to a certain extent as well as a number of other early internet startups, lost money for around 10 years before they started making shit tons. And everybody wants to be on that particular ride. So they are queueing up in every AI line they can find to hedge their bets on one of them being the one that survives and thrives. It doesn't really occur to any of them that all of them could fail. Because "AI is the future". Except there is no plan to monetize any of them. And so far every time one of them introduces a charge, people stop using it.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

I feel like it's just as likely that further breakthroughs cause costs to plummet to the point that any of the major AI companies will never even be capable of seeing a profit, paving the way for some yet unestablished or open model to reign supreme in the end.

Hopefully, anyway lol.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

'Profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers'

Which profits?

Ah, now I see the actual quote is: "[...] the AI boom's profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers." he means the profits of the shovel sellers, not AI profits.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

nvidia is the only one that is making money from this?

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Not just Nvidia.

For a start of who the shovel sellers might be, you can take a look at the list in his post that Torsten Slok used to calculate his margin numbers:

Note: Data as of 2Q 2026 and for OpenAI (1Q 2026 estimate from PitchBook) and Anthropic (2Q 2026 estimate from Financial Times). Averages are equal-weighted bucket averages of Energy & Grid (Constellation Energy, Vistra, NextEra Energy, Vertiv, Eaton, Arista Networks), Silicon & Equipment (Nvidia, AMD, Broadcom, Marvell, TSMC, SK Hynix, Samsung Electronics, Micron), Compute & Cloud (Super Micro, Dell Technologies, Foxconn, Equinix, Digital Realty, Amazon/AWS, Microsoft/Azure, Alphabet/Google Cloud, CoreWeave, Nebius) and Models & Applications (OpenAI, Anthropic). Sources: Bloomberg, PitchBook, Apollo Chief Economist

In short according to his research the people currently making a profit or at least positive margins, are the people who build chips and memory, who build energy infrastructure, and who build servers and data canters.

I would like to see the distinction between Servers (Super Micro, Dell Technologies, Foxconn) and Datacenters (Equinix, Digital Realty, Amazon/AWS, Microsoft/Azure, Alphabet/Google Cloud, CoreWeave, Nebius) but he seems to have put them together.

Also I heard from our local news that ABB (which is Swiss, Edit: apparently also Swedish) is profiting too, they belong in the power category.

And I wonder why Arista goes in the Energy category, I'd see them and Cisco, and Juniper, and Extreme, and Nokia in a separate network category.

[–] redditStinksSuperBad@lemmy.world 40 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Let's not forget that they're literally stealing from anyone who ever made anything in our entire history.

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[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

But is this mess too big to fail? NVidia and the memory component companies are also all leveraged. All because a handful of selfish businessman decided to rush forward to try and seize power with and colluded with each other to do so.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 49 points 22 hours ago

It's a giant economic bubble in plain view.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Looks a little triangle shaped.

[–] BobWehadababyitsaboy@lemmy.zip 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's more three dimensional than that. More like a cone with flat sides.

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[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 108 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Ponzi called, he wants his scheme back.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 28 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Well the jerk store called, and they're running out of you!

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[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

Enron on the side asking all I had to do is wait for AI?

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 18 points 20 hours ago

CEO, "It will pay off because I'm the visionary."

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago
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