Progressive Politics

Incorrect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defendants_at_the_International_Military_Tribunal

Eh. That's really not a realistic fear here. The US already has nuclear weapons assets within striking distance of Iran. Sure, ICBMS launched from North Dakota would have to fly over Russia and risk triggering a false retaliation. That's why the US simply wouldn't use those launchers. Nukes launched against Iran would be launched from submarines in the Indian Ocean or Mediterranean or be delivered via cruise missiles and other stand-off munitions. They wouldn't fly over any nuclear armed state, except maybe Israel. And Israel isn't particularly worried about being nuked by the US.

And no, this wouldn't trigger a retaliatory attack from the other nuclear powers. The launches would not be falsely read as nuclear strikes. The best example of this? Consider the Tomahawk missiles. The US has already launched hundreds of these things against Iran, and it didn't cause Russia or China to press the button. And the Tomahawks can carry both conventional or nuclear warheads. They could destroy all of Iran's cities using nuclear-tipped Tomahawks, and the launches would look no different than the hundreds of launches the US has already used against Iran.

This is still a horrible idea, and horrible doesn't even begin to describe it. We're talking about an act of mass murder that exceeds the Holocaust. That's reason enough to consider the idea completely unthinkable. But it should be opposed for the sake of the Iranian people, not out of some unrealistic fear that it would trigger a global thermonuclear war.

Yep this right here, if he nukes Iran we're all dead, even if the other nuclear states somehow don't retaliate, which they wouldn't but for the sake of argument, that would still completely destroy society. That would make an absurd amount of oil and natural gas unusable cutting the global supply by a margin that would be unsustainable.

You trust everyone that has nukes to not mistake it for an attack on them and trigger mad?

Yes. They're not Americans, they don't "fear for their life" and start blasting. The US needs to be taken down carefully, like a hostage taker with their knife to the world's throat. If the US nukes Iran, I think that's the point where the EU and UK start treating the US as the single biggest threat rather than just one of many, but it makes no sense to attack the US openly and guarantee MAD.

What we need is a revolution in the US that is homegrown enough that nuclear command accepts their call to not launch nukes over the presidency's call to launch them. A military coup would probably be safest.

I said this about a year ago, but I have a strong feeling someone, somewhere will get a one nuke freebie. Everyone will be completely floored and there will be sanctions out the wazoo but that will be it, because no one really wants to trigger MAD.

For those who don't know - almost everyone knows where most major missile silos ARE, in most nuclear-capable countries. From the time the rocket is fired, you, no matter which country, have about 5-10 minutes to decide whether it's aimed at you, and whether to fire back.

He's also much much stupider, I don't like Putin one bit but he's not a complete buffoon

Yeah there's a big difference between savvy / unhinged and sundowning / irrationally incompetent

You underestimate V. Putin.

Johnson doesn't immediately become Vice-President. That's not how the succession works. But you're right, Captain Couchfucker is just as insane and stupid as Colonel Orangeballs.

OK and? He's demented also but not "on deaths doorstep with nothing to lose because he's so old" demented. He's got more to live for and hopefully has the sense not to trigger mutuality assured destruction.

Thats okay cause the same trick will work on Cushion Pusher, too.

then keep going until they give up or have no more subs left