What did you expect? They come from non tipping cultures. Where wait staff make livable wages. Not their fault we are incapable of paying people enough to live.
this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2026
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Just auto include a 20% tip in every purchase, include that in the price, and don't leave an option for tips. Done. Problem solved.
Which could be accomplished by simply raising prices by that amount and then paying the staff appropriately and not have this end run around complicating mess.
Yeah, that's what rising the prices and giving the staff the money is.
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These kind of sane solutions to problems don't belong on the internet. We come here to be irrationally angry over everything.
Oh right cause they come from civilized countries where people actually get payed. I get both sides but the system is the enemy, not the people.
Protecting the waiters and barkeepers from what? If they just had normal minimum wage rules, and service was included in the price, they would not need "protection" from a self-inflicted problem.
Note that if a worker fails to get to minimum wage through tips, they are owed minimum wage by the employer.
However, minimum wage is pretty crap.
Your point stands that compensation should be baked in of course, it is just that normal minimum wage does kick in if the tips fail.
And tips are normally reported as a percentage of gross sales. Technically you can report less, but thats a good way to get catch a tax audit, and if the total tips reported from the restaurant fall too low the whole place will be audited. If your actual tips are short for the day the standard practice is to report the normal percentage and eat the loss.
No, that is not normal practice. If you do that, you aren't just eating the loss of what your employer should have paid you, you would be paying taxes on money you didn't make.
I had a manager at a bar try to feed me that line after a very slow shift and I refused. Anyone pushing that as standard practice either has been direly mislead, or is screwing you over for the company's profit.
Wow, for real? This is a good argument in support of abolishing tipped wages. Is there anything you can point to for that being standard practice so my source isn't just an internet person? It's clearly not going to be written down anywhere, so I'm looking for an article or written testimony and not finding anything
How is adding a required 20% gratuity to a bill at a restaurant not false advertising? The restaurant advertises the food costs X dollars, then you get your bill and it's now 20% higher?
Exactly, it's not only deceptive but also ignoring the fact that many visitors are likely not earning on par with people in New York and are making decisions about where to eat based on the advertised prices.
All these bars and restaurants talking about how busy they've been and have massively increased business during the world cup. They're aware of the tipping problem yet still somehow can't find the cash to cover the difference so that their staff get a normal wage.
They could share some of their revenue windfall with the wait staff. But instead they complain to news outlets and add an automatic 20% markup without prior notice to extract even more money from the visitors.
And it's already higher from the tax! Lol
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America once again showing the world what a dystopian shit show it is. People are travelling to what they think is a developed country and so rightly assume all workers are paid a decent wage. Certainly European visitors would assume that. Highlights once again the need for a minimum wage and union support for workers.
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Look, I worked in restaurants for half of my adult life and even though the system is fucked for tips it's not like the wait staff has a say in the matter so punishing them by not tipping is completely pointless. That being said, I'm pretty sure 90% of wait staff agree with you about tipping but are unfortunately stuck in the system just like the rest of us. But even when considering all of that it's absolutely insane that people are expected to tip when it costs $100+ just to go out to eat with a few friends.
Basically what I'm saying is that it's generally a more complicated issue than it looks from the outside, but the long story short is that the staff are the ones getting fucked over by everyone else and it doesn't make sense to punish them. It's infinitely more helpful to leave a negative review than it is to not tip the wait staff. If you do that it actually brings attention to the issue and hurts the business instead of just punishing someone for trying to do their job.
90% of waitstaff (if not more than that) LOVE tipping culture because they get more money than they'd ever be making hourly by serving without tips.
(Talking about servers in places with tipping culture, of course)
Yeah, when business is good. But as soon as it's not the tune changes immediately.
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