The cash registers are ringing, the beer is flowing and the tables are full.
So there is money to pay staff, right?
this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2026
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Didn't know this was a hot take but America hasn't provided tip worthy service for decades.
I would even wager that Gen Z and A would be blown away to see the level of service quality something like the boomer generation experienced.
What did you expect? They come from non tipping cultures. Where wait staff make livable wages. Not their fault we are incapable of paying people enough to live.
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Just auto include a 20% tip in every purchase, include that in the price, and don't leave an option for tips. Done. Problem solved.
In that case just put that price on the menu like they do in other places. Including taxes in the price would held with the confusion too.
I despise 20%. I tolerated 10, maybe 15, but when it became 20 as the baseline with 30 now looming on the horizen, I am about to just say get bent.
The prices have gone up, so the tips have gone up. Why did they make the leap to 20%? Basically its like adding another person to the table.
Now I know people will say they should be paid a living wage, but from every server I know they absolutely do not want that. They want the tips, it pays better.
I don't know what the solution is. The people who make real money make far beyond that, and there is no doubt the cost of living is through the roof. I cant fault someone for wanting to get a little more, but I am just not going to keep shelling out 20% more on top of dinner that already is 2 people for $150 before tip.
The only person I to 30% is my hair stylist, and that's because she hasn't raised my price in almost 20 years.
Which could be accomplished by simply raising prices by that amount and then paying the staff appropriately and not have this end run around complicating mess.
The staff would hate that. None of them want it. 20% is far more than what they would be paid even under "a living wage". They know it, the restaurant knows it.
Sounds like you don't understand what a livable wage actually means.
Or that you're a manager yourself and never had to live off an unlivable wage.
Sounds like you have never worked for tips.
Its really fucking weird getting down voted and then insulted when chances are you have never had this conversation or worked with people in this industry.
Many restaurants have tried this. The staff do not want it: it always pays much less, and keeps them from being able to pull better nights than others.
Yes outside of america it works, but once you get a taste of that income with tipping, you dont want less.
Sounds like a problem for someone that specializes in managing a restaurant.
Yeah, that's what rising the prices and giving the staff the money is.
These kind of sane solutions to problems don't belong on the internet. We come here to be irrationally angry over everything.
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Oh right cause they come from civilized countries where people actually get payed. I get both sides but the system is the enemy, not the people.
People over here do tip, according ti tge service...
Protecting the waiters and barkeepers from what? If they just had normal minimum wage rules, and service was included in the price, they would not need "protection" from a self-inflicted problem.
Note that if a worker fails to get to minimum wage through tips, they are owed minimum wage by the employer.
However, minimum wage is pretty crap.
Your point stands that compensation should be baked in of course, it is just that normal minimum wage does kick in if the tips fail.
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How is adding a required 20% gratuity to a bill at a restaurant not false advertising? The restaurant advertises the food costs X dollars, then you get your bill and it's now 20% higher?
Exactly, it's not only deceptive but also ignoring the fact that many visitors are likely not earning on par with people in New York and are making decisions about where to eat based on the advertised prices.
All these bars and restaurants talking about how busy they've been and have massively increased business during the world cup. They're aware of the tipping problem yet still somehow can't find the cash to cover the difference so that their staff get a normal wage.
They could share some of their revenue windfall with the wait staff. But instead they complain to news outlets and add an automatic 20% markup without prior notice to extract even more money from the visitors.
And it's already higher from the tax! Lol
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America once again showing the world what a dystopian shit show it is. People are travelling to what they think is a developed country and so rightly assume all workers are paid a decent wage. Certainly European visitors would assume that. Highlights once again the need for a minimum wage and union support for workers.
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