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Swiss company Proton is further expanding its productivity suite. In addition to an email service, calendar, VPN, password manager, and drive, Proton Sheets is now available. It is an alternative to Microsoft Excel and Google Sheets, an increasingly important advantage as countries take sovereignty more seriously.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (33 children)

Do we like Proton? I never know which VPN company I can truly trust.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

They're increasingly divisive I'd say. For me the fact that they rage-quit mastodon after a stint of bad publicity is all I need to know. If they were truly dedicated to a better internet they would be committed to stand up against big tech everywhere, not just wherever there's money to be made from it. I'm migrating away from my proton mail account.

I get my VPN from Surfshark. Not because I necessarily trust them, but because it's cheap and they don't insist on doing anything else than just being my VPN provider. And I trust them more than Proton at this point, anyway.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 16 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Don't let me ruin your good time, but my experience with Surf shark:

Used surf shark for about 3 years around pandemic timeframe. Had no complaints (other than it drained my phone battery super fast - didn't test empirically, but seemed somewhat worse than other VPN providers). I was unemployed for a while, so took the opportunity to cut expenses; tried to drop my surf shark subscription. It was a HUGE pain in the butt. I forget the process, but iirc, you had to use their help chat to get the number for cancellations, they kept me on hold for ~10 min, then had a long winded questionnaire ("were required to ask you these questions before proceeding") asking why I was quitting, then made an offer for discounted months before letting me unsubscribe.

Its my understanding regulations have changed such that that's not allowed anymore and also that most VPN can elations are about that bad anyway, but still, wanted to share my experience. Lol, suppose so long as you never quit, you won't have to deal with all that.

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

do you have a more current preference/recommendation?

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suspect Mullvad would be a popular choice, but it's quite a bit more expensive. As I rarely use VPN (I hardly every do anything where it's necessary), I'm a bit on the stingy side personally.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I had a boss once who's favorite saying was:

"You don't always get what you pay for
But you never get what you don't pay for"

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Generally with software I will only pay for things that I get full access to without paying for them. I guess I would render your boss somewhat confused.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

Well, he took it also to mean payment in the philosophical sense. He was also fond of saying "you can pay with your wallet or you can pay with your clock". He had some extension of that to the effect of its worse when you have to pay with both, but I forget the wording (it didn't flow well).

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Going to get shit for this buuuut, Mozilla VPN is good. Rides on Mullvad.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

Not any authoritative recommendations. I'm at most a casual user of VPNs, and so long as I see the traffic getting encrypted, don't think about it much more.

I always hear Mullvad is great for maximizing privacy. Never tried them myself though.

Personally, I use Proton. I was prepping to jump ship earlier this year, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth it. I've had a pretty decent experience with them. The only issue was on on a Linux machine...Uh....and it was minor enough and long ago enough that I don't even remember what it was?

See above for my dissatisfying experience with Surf shark.

I did try to sign up with ExpressVPN many years ago. They're payment portal was busted (tried every day for a week, emailed support with no response).

That about sums up my experience.

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