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It's insane how fast MAGA went from no wars to "we are so happy that a dictator was removed and the people of Venezuela are happy!"
WTF!?!? It's batshit crazy the lengths they go to to justify all his illegal actions.
It's really easy to change your positions when there were never any principles behind it either way.
This is what I'm so desperate for people to understand: these are empty people. In terms of politics, they don't have beliefs in the way you and I do. They have hollowed out that part of themselves. This is why debate or the introduction of new facts never changes their minds, because it never made up their mind in the first place. Such a change requires your positions to be propped up by genuine belief in what you think is the right thing, where that prop can be knocked over.
These people belong to a team, a clan, a cult, however you want to phrase it. The only thing that matters is that their side is in power and uses that power to act against those who aren't. Any means to that end is valid to them. They'll happily switch to whichever position is most convenient for them without missing a beat. They're only justifying it to you to keep you busy and distracted, they never really believed a word they said. They just chose the words they thought would be most effective to win.
The best term I have heard is "reprogrammable meatbags" for these idiots. They will spew back whatever official propaganda is shit into their heads like dutiful puppets. They don't care that they can hold two diametrically opposing ideas or viewpoints at the same time.
I've always said, "you can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into".
"communism bad" has been hammered into the heads of Americans for decades, it's easy to exploit that reflex
Venezuela hasn't been exactly a star performer for socialism this century has it?
These are people that call the Nazi party Socialists because they were "National Socialists".
They are scared of the word. They have no idea what it actually means.
It's 19th century ideology. I think we'd have some good examples to point to by now
And if those people cared about truth and rationality, your examples would probably be effective.
under chavez maybe, but with maduro hes basically a trump.
It's not "USA! USA!"
right wing propaganda is a hellava drug. especially for venezuelans in USA. its not like venezuelas is suddenly going to elect a democratic president, it almost never is when USA/UK backs a coup.
There will be a sham election and a USA stooge will (try to) rule the place for a while. Then he'll be couped by the masses. Another stooge ascends to power, with USA's blessing. And so on...
All of this has happened many times before in South America.
they were never, anti war.
then saying so was such an obvious lie, they were always vocally pro war.
Wait? They're saying venezuelans are happy about it? Is that false?
Afaik Maduro was a harsh dictator so it's not totally unplausible in my head that they would be happy this happened.
Asking, not implying anything. Idk what to trust about this.
Removing the Dictator doesn't get rid of the Dictatorship without actual occupation and regime change, like the US did in Iraq.
Trump thinks he can remove the head of state then that makes him the head of state. Like some sort of video game or something - you capture the capital city once and suddenly you own all the territory. That's just not how this works, and there are clear recent examples to show it.
maduros govt is still in power, hence the VP is taking control, if she isnt going to bootlick TRUMP, is unlikely it will change. I think trump was vying for the other opposition that will roll over for him.
Tx for the response
the ones that fled the countries are happy. the ones in the country is pretty scared right now.