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Please provide more detail than "Trump is a twat" and "epstein distraction" cos that's fucking obvious

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 80 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (21 children)

Why: I think it's mostly a matter of trump wanting to make a name for himself outside of his maga cult. Neocons never liked him, and he hopes this might change it. Plus, a dose of realpolitik in an effort to seem tough usually works.

When: It will have to end soon, otherwise he'll be shitting in his base. However, while wanting to pull back he'll realize he has two choices:

  • Declare "victory" and leave the regime still in power, leaving people (his base included) asking what all these tax dollars were spent on
  • Keep going, losing more and more support from his isolationist base and then some. Iran is, at present, the most unpopular war from a US polling perspective, so it is highly unlikely there will be a rally-around-the-flag effect for him. Even more unlikely the linger it goes on - a war doesn't become more popular over time.

How: Airstrikes will continue until the paragraph above has been addressed. And since Trump never reads history, he's probably way too optimistic, never realizing this simple fact: No country/regime has ever unconditionally surrendered because of conventional airstrikes and bombardment alone.

To quote Sarah Paine (renowned military scholar and historian), once you put your enemy on death ground, meaning they will have to fight on or (probably) die, they will not surrender. Trump never offered the Iran regime an offramp, and while it sucks to be in Iran right now, they have no incentive to surrender.

[–] amio@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

When you say "his isolationist base" I know that was a talking point early on. Will any part of his base hold him accountable for literally anything ever, though? I would've assumed his base is now ecstatic about doing some warmongering no matter what he said five minutes ago?

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

Time will show. There are some shitheads, such as Nick Fuentes, who have publicly disavowed Trump, and even Alex Jones is having a hard time defending Trump these days. Defection are happening, but any long term effect will probably be seen via a slow trickle and not a sudden drop in approval rating.

The truth is, most people don't stay up to date on the news, so while the base probably won't notice that the current Trump talking points are inconsistent at best, come a year or two and they will probably notice that they are objectively worse off after Trump decided to spend billions on a war with Iran for dubious benefits. We will never see a point of "That's it, fuck you!" on xitter. Suddenly the support will lose critical mass and fade into the background just like the teaparty did.

I'm cautiously optimistic stemming from the fact that ideologies based on hate never succeed in the long run. They either fizzle out, eat themselves, or on rare occasions implode spectacularly.

Trump has also surrounded himself with yes-men, just like this Austrian corporal once did. While Hitler certainly had a loyal staff, they were far from competent; Göhring thought he could bomb UK i to submission. And the rest of the staff were more focused on licking rectoplasm than facing reality.

[–] frizop@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

come a year or two and they will probably notice that they are objectively worse off

This has historically not been the case. Trump supporters are more likely to say things are "great" when asked how the presidents policies have affected them. They are entirely divorced from reality and hang on the presidents words as if their lives depended on it. They accept what he says as truth, and without fail his lackeys repeat those words/lies, things like, "the dow is over 50,000!" that we heard bondi say the other day in a hearing. I think people should be more informed how this is historically similar to nazi germany's rise to power.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Trump supporters are more likely to say things are "great" when asked how the presidents policies have affected them.

They're also likely to say "Biden's policies" were terrible and "trump's policies" are the best even if they describe Biden's actual policies as "trump policies" and trump's actual policies as "Biden's policies".

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