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Communism looks good on paper

and looks even better in the real world

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago (11 children)

I already gave my sources on Xinjiang, so I won't retread old ground.

The nordic countries thay have high scores on the IAHD index are a part of western imperialism. They subsidize their safety nets by plundering the surplus value of the south, and rely on institutions like the IMF and NATO to protect them and facilitate their plunder. China is not imperialist.

[–] StonksDiff13@lemmy.today -5 points 7 hours ago (10 children)

This is your argument? That this is allowed in a great example of Chinese socialism?

2022 report by the UN Human Rights Office (OHCHR) found that China's arbitrary detention of Uyghurs and other predominantly Muslim minorities in Xinjiang may constitute "crimes against humanity," citing credible evidence of torture, forced labor, and severe rights violations.

While the UN report did not formally label the actions as "genocide," it highlighted evidence of coercive policies designed to suppress cultural and religious identity. 

Key Findings of the UN Report:

  • Arbitrary Detention: The report confirmed that mass internment camps, termed "vocational training" by the Chinese government, functioned as centers for detention.
  • Torture and Abuse: Evidence was found of beatings, torture (including waterboarding), and sexual violence against detainees.
  • Coercive Labor: Evidence suggests a scope of forced labor, with detainees transferred to factories or high-security prisons.
  • Religious/Cultural Suppression: Policies aimed at "coercive Sinicization" forced individuals to abandon religious practices.

Brother. China sucks. The US sucks. Just get over it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

You asked an AI without even reading China's response to the allegations? You just had an AI summarize the allegations alone, without reading China's counter-evidence. I asked you to read the OHCHR report so you could understand the allegations, not as definitive evidence, which China's response thoroughly debunks a large majority of it or contextualizes.

Plus, I'm not the one you were responding to here, I linked you Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation.

[–] StonksDiff13@lemmy.today -2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I thought you or someone else had said the UN report confided it wasn't genocide. So I went and found the UN report to point out what it did say. If that wasn't you, I apologize. There are a lot of parallel conversations going on.

But still, wouldn't the UN collective organization have more credibility than the individual accused nation when claiming their side of things?

"The man accused of says he didn't do it. The group of investigators determined it was voluntary manslaughter.."

Since you want to discuss the details of the report and China's response, I will look into both. Please hold.

For some reason your link is not working btw. I will copy the title and search for it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What matters is the evidence. The UN is toothless and dominated by western interests, and the majority of muslim nations have come out in favor of China's evidence over the UN.

[–] StonksDiff13@lemmy.today -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like this article explains it in a way that reveals a bit more of the harsh reality, but still supports your claim of Muslim nations' support of China's policies. It's also from Medium.

https://medium.com/the-diplomatic-pouch/analysis-why-muslim-countries-in-the-middle-east-support-chinese-atrocities-in-xinjiang-f4ec7d4bea48

They write plainly about the support being due to economic ties, fractured Muslim subdivisions, and "agreeing as a way to survive."

At this point our source is the same and still contradicts itself.

Again, I'll concede since I don't have a more credible answer.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

This is largely someone trying to explain away something and push a narrative. Again, read Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation.

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