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Wikipedia will tell you that it is pain and unpleasantness. But that is too shallow. That isn't true suffering. To me, suffering is when thoughts start causing physical pain. When the prospect of death seems like the only escape. But sometimes not even death can stop suffering.

I've been thinking about this a lot. What is the nature, the purpose of suffering. And then, it hit me. Maybe the lack of a purpose is the problem? It is easier to take pain when we know when it will end, or when we know that it is a pain of healing. But when it is a destructive pain, or suffering without a purpose, then it is true suffering. Pain for the sake of pain, where nothing is gained and everything is lost. Is that the nature of suffering? I don't know. I can't say that I experienced true suffering on that level. I don't think anyone has. Or at least they haven't lived long enough to tell the tale.

Is being stuck upside down in a cave until you slowly die, knowing nobody will come to rescue you true suffering? Is being a victim of a terrible crime and not being able to ever get justice for it true suffering? Or is it something simpler?

I was never good with words. So please don't blame me if I can't fully define it. That is exactly why I ask this question. I invite you all to discuss the essence and the nature of suffering with me. I wish to understand.

DISCLAIMER: This is a philosophical question. Nothing more, nothing less.

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[–] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are we mixing philosophy and biology? Because this way we can explain all emotional states we experience. I do not disagree with this perspective, but I do not believe it is the whole truth. If we let go of all attachments in this perspective, we let go of life itself. And that is not a valid solution in my view. Since there are other ways to avoid suffering, I do not see attachment as the main cause of it. Attachment can actually alleviate suffering in some cases.

[–] ash@piefed.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Are we mixing philosophy and biology

I am not sure I mixed in much philosophy. I gave a scientific explanation because most people prefer it.

If we let go of all attachments in this perspective, we let go of life itself

We don't let go of life but our attachment to it. You train to watch it happen and end like a spectator. Then you won't feel a rush when good things happen which inevitably leads to a low (suffering) when they end. You will also accept the bad things beyond control without suffering.

You will be in a steady state of happiness and peace.

there are other ways to avoid suffering

Like?

You can't avoid losing everything you call yours—including your loved ones. You can't avoid sickness and death.

[–] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Alright. Let me adress all your points. As well as I am able to.

  1. I asked a philosophical question, expecting a philosophical answer. My general question was "what is suffering?" Your answer was basically "a reaction to negative stimuli.". Yes. Obviously it is a reaction with its reason and cause rooted in biology. That is not what I was asking.

  2. Is watching your own life like a spectator not letting go of life itself? I never said suicide. I said letting go of attachment to life. Acceptance of life is not the same as letting go of one's attachment to it. You still want to live, don't you? That means you are attached to life. That attachment is needed for life itself to exist. And what is happines anyway? Is it a lack of suffering? Because in my perspective, you cannot achieve happines without accepting life with all the good and the bad it brings. It's a balancing act. The solution is not to stop playing, but to enjoy the game for what it is. I do not see that and "letting go of attachment" as the same thing.

  3. And what are those coveted ways of avoiding suffering? Imagine a scenario in which from birth you are pumped full of drugs that make you happy, and hooked up to a simulation that makes you experience a perfect life. Do you suffer in that scenario? And I'm not saying THAT is the solution ot all suffering, it's just the first idea off the top of my head.

  4. "You can’t avoid losing everything you call yours—including your loved ones. You can’t avoid sickness and death." No, you can't. But is that really the essence and cause of suffering? Once you accept that you will lose everything you gain, there is no loss. It's a zero-sum game. Therefore, you don't suffer. Not in the same way as someone who doesn't accept this reality. Pain is unavoidable. Wether it be physical, mental or emotional. But pain by itself is not "suffering". It's just pain.