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[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago (21 children)

student protests

Very reductionist.

run over by tanks

Not really what happened it was more akin to rioters clashing with the military (standing in as riot police).

[–] ztpq@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (20 children)

I've seen a lot of pictures from the day both before and after the military intervention. I haven't seen evidence characterising it as anything other than student-led protests, which of course were joined by other civilians. Do you have any?

BTW I find it disheartening when other leftists don't seem to understand the concept of critical support, and act like they have to justify anything and everything a government does simply because they otherwise support it. This only drives away others who are open to e.g. opposition of NATO, but not willing to deny human rights abuses in support of that goal. Just seems hypocritical and like you don't actually stand for any values instead of another flavor of tribalism and nationalism.

[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I’ve seen a lot of pictures from the day both before and after the military intervention. I haven’t seen evidence characterising it as anything other than student-led protests, which of course were joined by other civilians. Do you have any?

Cowbee has already provided a wealth of information I would recommend starting with the article by Sun Feiyang and Roderic Day and delving into the sources provided.

BTW I find it disheartening when other leftists don’t seem to understand the concept of critical support, and act like they have to justify anything and everything a government does simply because they otherwise support it. This only drives away others who are open to e.g. opposition of NATO, but not willing to deny human rights abuses in support of that goal. Just seems hypocritical and like you don’t actually stand for any values instead of another flavor of tribalism and nationalism

This is a completely nonsensical and ridiculous reply to me simply pointing out that the protest was more complex than simply a student protest and that the violence was not so one sided and cartoonish but rather the result of clashes between rioters with such peaceful calls as

Don’t let any soldiers escape! Kill them all!

and the peaceful thoughts of CIA operative and student leader Chai Ling:

The students keep asking, “What should we do next? What can we accomplish?” I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we are actually hoping for is bloodshed

Who when asked:

Are you going to stay in the Square yourself?

Replied:

No, I won’t. Because my situation is different. My name is on the government’s hit list. I’m not going to let myself be destroyed by this government. I want to live

and the soldiers acting in place of riot police.

I am not at all against criticism of the handling of the events surrounding Tiananmen square in 1989 however that is not what you were doing rather you were merely obscuring the reality to allow yourself to apply easy blanket condemnation in place of real analysis and thought.

[–] Buhbyelittlegumshoe@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

China survived the color revolution attempt in 89. Here on the western left we only accept martyrs and losers.

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