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[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Paternalism vs liberty. Tell me more. I haven’t heard of this comparison before.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago (10 children)

The full spectrum is really more like “authoritarian vs libertarian”. Political policy should really be split into two different spectrums. On one spectrum, you have financial policy. On the other, you have social policy. The two normally get lumped together because politicians campaign on both simultaneously. But in reality, they’re two separate policies. So the political spectrum should look less like a single left/right line, and more like an X/Y graph with individual points for each person’s ideology. Something more like this:

On this graph, as you go farther left, the government has more ownership and provides more, (and individuals own less because the government provides more for their needs). As you go farther up the chart, social policy gets more authoritarian. So for example, something on the far right bottom corner would be the Cyberpunk 2077/The Outer Worlds end-stage capitalist where megacorps inevitably own everything and have their own private laws.

Once you separate the two policies into a graph (instead of just a left/right line) it becomes clear why “small government” doesn’t necessarily correspond to “fewer laws” when dealing with politicians.

[–] mobotsar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's a political compass, and it's still missing several political axes.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess one potential axis would be 'stagnation', in the sense that social mobility between classes stops changing. That could be anything like straight up caste systems, or informal stratification from wealth getting locked up by the 1%. I hypothesize, that such an axis would be a measurement of how 'elderly' a society is becoming. When politics become too locked in due to unchanging political critters, the ability for a society to recognize and properly act in a situation becomes compromised.

My parent, they lost mental acuity and flexibility with the years, alongside their bodily agency, and have become quarrelsome. IMO, such dementia is what we are seeing in a aging America and the UK.

[–] mobotsar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Realistically one can come up with any number of axes and still be wrong, because the domain of politics isn't a metric space.

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