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OP you have to talk to your old manager because of the firm’s procedures or are you doing it to try to smooth things over?
If it is because of the firm’s rules, then keep the conversation focused on the facts of the new position.
If you are doing it to smooth things over, don’t bother. It sounds to me like the relationship was too toxic. I suspect that your old boss’ behavior is well known in the firm so your hiring manager may not put any stock in your old boss’ opinions.
Because of the institution's rules. I entered to the job by recommendation and I know a few people that trust my job in that institution. I know a boss of the boss of my former boss hahaha (who works in the main headquarter of the institution) and he told me that I need "the go-ahead" from my former boss so that he can help me get my job back. I need to say that this person is someone that I knew from when I was an intern so our relationship is only about work. He will help me because he trust my job, knows that I deliver a good work.
Ok so keep the conversation to the facts of new position.