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[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (22 children)

Liberal doomerism based on imaginary restrictions, how new.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago (21 children)

it's not just imaginary, humans thrived of mutual cooperation for tens of thousands of years while capitalism has only existed for a few hundred, but somehow that it's became the default position of everyone.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I wouldn't call pre-capitalist society "thriving on mutual cooperation" and neither would Marx. It was different, yeah, but ultimately still exploitative for most people. Consider that Tsarist Russia was still largely pre-capitalist (in the transition to being a capitalist economy) and that this fact led to a lot of debate among socialist and communist thinkers during the leadup to the Russian Revolution because Marx himself believed that Capitalism was a necessary stepping stone to Communism. But yet, people still felt conditions were bad enough that they revolted, killed everyone in charge, and instituted socialism. Even going back to the bronze age shit was pretty brutal. Read about how kings dealt with disobedience back then and it would make anyone today seem like a saint.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

mutual cooperation for tens of thousands of years speaks to the human prehistory; long before tsarist russia was a thing.

also the type of capitalism that existed during feudalism/serfdom is not the same as the one we have now; it wasn't the dominant hegemony at the time.

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