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Class struggle is intrinsic to communism, it's important to show the working classes that our collective enemy isn't each other, but the capitalists and the capitalist state. We need to align the working classes against our shared class enemy, not try to ally with those who support the systems supporting our class enemies.
Thanks for proving my point. Your "us vs them" thinking caused you to confuse "propagandised individuals" with "capitalist" and ignore the big difference between both.
"Capitalist" is a class that in communism doesn't exist. So consequently, after the implementation of communism there is no enemy of the class "capitalist" anymore. So again, communism would serve all people.
"Propagandised individuals" wouldn't disappear after the implementation of communism. They can be discriminate against.
I'm referring to communism as the movement, not as communism the mode of production. In the far future where communism is achieved, there wouldn't be individuals propagandized against communism, the lengthy process of getting there is through socialism by which point those contradictions are worked out.
In the present day, capitalists are the enemy of the working classes. Trying to unite the working classes against them and their enablers, ie the GOP, DNC, etc, is a progressive struggle.
As if the rhetoric of today has no influence on the rhetoric of tomorrow.
But even in this very short sighted context, the conflation of "propagandised individuals" and "capitalist" is obviously toxic to the aim of archiving communism.
I will take a wild guess that you have many friends who are raised in capitalistic environments and who have been exposed to anti communism propaganda. Some of that propaganda probably worked on them and consequently they are propagandised individuals. But I doubt you would call them capitalist and enemy. Ofc, you wouldn't as you would special plead for them, while happily supporting conflating propagandised individuals with capitalists and the enemy.
You're entirely confused. I live in the US Empire, of course I know people raised in capitalism. I'm not calling the working class my enemy, I'm calling for the working class to directly combat the DNC, GOP, and the entire capitalist class. I'm not conflating those who side with the capitalists despite being working class with the capitalist class, but recognizing that we need to do our best to show them who their actual enemies are and organize them.
Because you know the actual enemy, you defend a meme that demonises "propagandised individuals" instead of the enemy. Interesting choice.
It isn't demonizing them, but explaining that communists are hated just for wanting a better world, which is true.
I think you misunderstood what they meant, when they said "capitalists" they meant those who own the capital and such, not people who believe capitalism works and socialism doesn't. Propagandized individuals are only capitalists if they own capital.
No i didn't.
I understand what capitalists are and he does too. We agree with the definition.
He just feels forced to conflate both to justify a toxic meme.