AFAIK, these companies are making record revenue.
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From what? Is my mom clicking on that many ads and buying their shit?
Spoiler: >!Yes she is.!<
My mom: I don't want ad blocker I want to see what the ads are selling!
Also my mom: Malware ridden phone I have to clean every two months
She has a constant stream of useless, scammy shit from temu ripoffs being sent to her house constantly and I just had to get some AI face filter subscription she swears she didn't sign up for off her bank account.
But she'll constantly tell you how much she hates technology.
Do we have the same parents?
Hello brother
Just because they buy ad space doesn't mean those ads are effective.
Facebook shows an after every two posts in my feed.
It was all over when Facebook introduced the algorithmic timeline. It's just taken a while for people to notice how awful it's made everything.
That was what got me off - I kept feeling like I had to scroll much farther back to see the updates from friends I missed past what FB decided I should see, until I decided Facebook had made it no longer worth the effort
Social media has also done its hardest to try and push people away from using it. Between the culture being awful, and there being an increasing number of roadblocks to using it, that ironically ruins discoverability for anyone who might want to use social media.
For example, if you want to use Reddit, and see a link, there's a lot of posts that you can't see without having an account and logging in. That's a big ask for something that you're not even sure that you want to sign up for, which would only be worse since you couldn't sidestep that using the old reddit interface.
Meanwhile, Twitter not only makes it so that you can't see much of anything without being logged in, but they're trying some new scheme where if you have an account, you need to download the app and give them your biometrics to confirm that you're human before you can use your account.
If you've scarcely used either site, why would you start now? Everything wants you to jump through more and more hoops to verify that you're actually a human, and if you don't have an account, the content that you can see doesn't seem to much of anything interesting. When not logged in, some subreddit and posts are completely inaccessible, and on Twitter, you can only see the tweet, but not the replies, or recent user posts.
Both of those were the main draws for each site. Why would any new user want to use them now? The only thing that they have is their reputation, and that will slowly go away with time.
Once upon a time, for example, Twitter was once the haven for beginner programmers, because they had a nice, free easy-to-use API that anyone could use to make bots and learn how to use APIs in general. Reddit was not far behind that. But that's mostly gone now. Reddit no longer approves API keys for the most part, and is working to shut down the public APIs that it has left, and Twitter has locked theirs behind a paywall.
Reddit is even worse on mobile. They’ve moved to putting up a banner that tells you to use the app. On iOS, it kills the scroll, and swiping to go back doesn’t work. Go to the app? Fuck you, log in. Desktop mode is rough on mobile and they’re already talking about nuking old.reddit.com now.
maybe we could help handing them nails to their coffin. Lets start demanding they add even more obnoxious things. Like for reddit, make even more posts no visible to those who are not logged in, have premium members be even more exclusive and away from the view. That should be a decent blow to any new people considering to join there since why would they want to do it if they cant even see what is there. And lets say they do it anyway and maybe even pay something, they will just get shit that isnt worth their money or they are kind of people that make it even worse place.
it could be sold to the crazier users as a way for them to be oh so exclusive and vip users so they would join in too. The executives would likely be extatic to see people demand same kind of shit they would want to put in anyway.
I dont know enough about facebook or shitter to have any ideas how to make them even worse, but for sure there is room there too.
Worse commercial social media becomes the better since it will push people away and eventually make it crumble.
I have 1200 "friends" on Facebook.
Less than a 10th of them "follow" me.
Therefore it is and was a literal waste of time to spend any time on their site.
On top of that if you open Facebook or Instagram, you won’t see a single one of your friend’s posts. You’ll see AI slop, random propaganda or “Influencera” and an ad every two posts.
You have to search for a friend if you want to find them.
Back in the day, I posted on Instagram to share things with my friends and scrolled to see their updates. The chronological feed with no suggested posts was the only way it worked, and now that's impossible. There are no "people" on Instagram anymore.
What happened to Facebook is happening to Instagram. What used to be just a feed of my friends is now a bunch of suggested posts from accounts I don't follow. It gives me a feeling of having my own friends used as bait for them to churn more content, souring the whole experience.
Just another way for zuck to push his incel fascist agenda
Makes sense. It's the same company now, and they're going to "reuse" patterns and stuff that they feel worked for Facebook and bring it over to instagram.
No mention of centralised versus decentralised social media. The thing that makes the biggest difference. No ads. No algorithm. No lock in, swap networks keeping friends and followers. Tune your timeline to suit you. Calling everything social media is trash journalism when those issues are already solved. Clearly he has no clue about the topic.
What are the federated "replacements" available so far? Obviously Lemmy replaces Reddit, I think Mastodon is a Twitter replacement? Has anything tried to tackle the myspace/TB/LJ kinda thing?
And then you've got the "new old web" stuff like Neocities and CozyTalk I guess.
I don't know what functionality those other ones have. People suggest Friendica.
Not just America. It's a trend worldwide thanks to the abundance of AI slop taking over any 'social network'.
See also the privacy-invading aggressiveness of most platforms, and the political ads and propaganda inundating people’s feeds. If social media had just remained a way to keep in touch with friends and post pictures, it would probably have remained popular.
No one ever answered why anyone ever started.
Basically blogging to your friends.
It was cool when it was all us chickens but now it's like influencers telling your uncle you're evil and stupid
It was a lot more fun before all of the advertising, really
I dropped off Twitter in 2020 and finally deleted instagram and Facebook by 2025.
I had friends on twitter and really enjoyed talking to people but after COVID hit there was something evil out of that site that hit me real bad and I started losing friends as I was concerned for loved ones health around me and everyone else wasn’t. So I left. There were other things I didn’t like on twitter but I figured it was just me. I guess it wasn’t. Instagram I never posted on but Facebook I was active until late 2020. Active arguments with people through 2020, trying to plead with friends and family to be cautious didn’t do much so I gave up talking and my Facebook on stayed active to talk to my father. Moved him to discord in 2025 and deleted Facebook then.
I’m sure looking back there were more platform specific things that I didn’t like but I know it’s only worse now. My best friend has stated multiple times that twitter doesn’t care about what’s posted anymore so you’ll see illegal videos of death all the time. Once you realize that social media (like that) breeds a kind of conflict with those around you, it’s much less fun.
These days I only have signal and this. Delete discord back in March lol
Discord was also grabbing your data. Matrix servers are supposed to be better.
I mean, I still post to social media every day, but it's pixelfed. It's not toxic, it's just me throwing in my art on the pile with everyone else's art that I also get to flip through and enjoy, in chronological posting order, with no advertisements or other subject matter present.
No ads and no "algorithm". That's all I ask for
I remember when Facebook used to just show your friends posts in reverse chronological order. You could react to stuff in real time and it felt great. People would do stuff like watch sporting events and TV shows live and then react with all your friends online.
Then it changed to just pure alogrithm garbage filled with ads.
Mine is at https://pixelfed.social/tanisnikana, if you want to get an idea of what gets posted. There’s much better artists than me on that site too!
It’s a really interesting thing that happens, Pixelfed put me in touch with some amazing industry photographers like NatGeo dudes and such, and it’s actually got my photography career properly started.
Ah, OK! So it's basically de-enshittified Flicker.
No one gives a shit what I ate for lunch.
If I ate something new or interesting, my friends actually cared. Unfortunately Facebook decided no one wants to interact with the people they know and started pushing news posts down everyone's throat. It's not a social network if you actively work against me interacting with my social network.
You are so right - early social media was kind of magical. Your friends posted when they went to a cool new restaurant or did cook something awesome. I discovered so many new restaurants and food styles because of that. Your friends are all going to that new syrian restaurant near the lake and like it? Let's try it ourselves! They are also your friends, so you can talk about that. They are posting pictures of some cool thing they cooked? You can ask for the receipe! You might even be invited for dinner the next time they are cooking that!
And then Facebook killed it. They started to hide the posts of your friends. They showed you some shit from some "page" or shoveled rage-baiting news in your face. They pushed Farmville everywhere. But that short little moment in time? That was awesome
And I still use social media the way many people originally imagined it: as a way to stay connected. My feeds have always been a mix of far-flung relatives, old friends, and high school band chums (because, let’s be honest, band buddies are the best buddies). Most days, I carve out a little time after work to catch up with the people who matter.
The last thing I’d want is for doing so to be...just more work. And yet, more than half of respondents agreed with the statement “Maintaining an online presence feels like work,” with about a third of those checking the “strongly agree” box. Only 16% disagreed, with the rest remaining neutral.
A full 60% of Gen Z respondents feel the pain of maintaining a social presence. Perhaps they have a niggling hope that they might still be discovered as an influencer?
I don't really care about the following-people form of social media, the Twitter family. I'm more interested in the forum sort, the Reddit family. There, I don't need to singlehandedly maintain a flow of content, because people aren't coming to see @tal@lemmy.today, but because they're coming to see what's going on in some community that I only incidentally participate in.
I miss webforums terribly. phpBB boards were everything back in the day. Reddit/Lemmy isn't remotely the same.
I keep hoping some of the new old web stuff will manage to strike a spark again.
I personally prefer Markdown to BBCode and not having to have a ton of different different accounts, but if you want phpBB forums, they are out there. Search a Web search engine for a string that exists on the website that the forum software displays by default. "Powered by vBulletin", "Powered by phpBB", etc.
searches
It's annoying to have different accounts but at the same time I feel like it's a necessary component if you wanted to retain the same feel. Plus password managers making keeping it all organized dead simple.
This exactly. I like the thread style formatting, because then I'm following a topic, and not an individual person, because I really don't give a shit what you had for breakfast, and don't need your food pics lol. I'm not into that, but if you post something interesting in a technology forum, then I'm quite interested.
Same here
Although unfortunatly multiple topics i like just arent nearly as developed on lemmy
Some are better developed on mastadon but its nowhere near the same as reddit
Others just dont exist
Some i know not to bother searching for because of how unlikely they are to exist on lemmy (rp1, for most that says shit all, maybe they think its about the fuel)