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[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 2 points 6 minutes ago

Morally wrong? No. Disgusting and disrespectful? Absolutely.

[–] remon@ani.social 1 points 2 minutes ago

So ... is that what they mean when they say "use every part of the animal"?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago

Well it's not going to fuck itself, clearly.

[–] 5ha99y@lemmus.org 4 points 1 hour ago

Green is fucking a dead animal afterwards, because it fits greys explanation and is the morally allowed one. That's why green explicitely needs to msntion that they are proud.

[–] TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world 17 points 2 hours ago

As an atheist… the fuck did I just read?

[–] RedIce25@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Wtf, do they think necrophilia/bestiality is morally acceptable just because "atheist"?

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Because theres no "harm" being done. Its already dead so it doesn't care, nobody is around together traumatised so they dont care.

Its obviously wrong but without Daddy God telling you its naughty its not so easy to explain why. I kinda want to see the Bible passage that says "dont fuck an animal corpse ye faithfulle"

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 25 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What does this have to do with atheists?

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 41 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (4 children)

This is a common "gotcha" argument that floats around the Internet. Essentially, it posits that under the teachings of a given religion (typically Christianity), there is a source of morality which is absolute. That might be the religion's holy text, deity, or the religious authorities of that religion. In either case, there is one authoritative source which dictates what is morally correct and not correct for the entire universe from now until eternity.

So, the argument goes, if one is to reject the teachings of this or all religions, as irreligious people do, it necessarily means accepting that morality is inherently relative and that there is no absolute standard for mortality that is universally applicable. Therefore, as the argument goes, since one would have to accept that morality is relative, it can be framed relative to anything or nothing, and therefore there is no act which can be immoral relative to any reference frames in a context without religion. And therefore, nothing can be said to be immoral because whether it is moral is relative.

That's the end of the argument.

To its credit, there isn't anything wrong with this argument. But I do believe the argument posits that conclusion to be far worse than it really is. Suppose I am an irreligious person. Why is fornication with roadkill immoral? Well, because I think it is. It makes me feel bad and the reward gained isn't worth the risk (the embarrassment of being seen in the act or catching some disease from it). Therefore I don't do it. Is it possible that some person could think that it is moral? Yes, absolutely. But that doesn't matter, because even if relative to one person's moral compass an act is moral, doesn't mean that people in general can't just collectively reject that perspective and condemn the act as a group. In fact, human societies imposing their views on what is and is not moral relative to their own experience describes pretty much the entirety of human history.

Edit: To sum up, my counter argument is that yes, all morality is relative. I don't see how this is a bad thing. Humans have the ability to reason and reject moral viewpoints which they collectively find repulsive. They do not have to accept it just because someone else thinks that way.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 1 hour ago

More succinctly, the argument is: without religion, there is no source of moral authority other than the disapproval of others. Acts that have no chance of being discovered would therefore not be subject to any moral judgment and must be permissible, even if clearly wrong.

This is a contradiction with those acts being clearly wrong.

There are multiple ways of attacking this naive argument.

[–] ccryx@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I think there are (at least) two things wrong with the argument:

  1. it assumes that there can be no source of absolute morality aside from religion, ignoring centuries if not millennia of moral philosophy/ethics (which at least tries to answer the question seriously).
  2. even if nonreligious sources of morality don't exist, the argument assumes that religion is a source of absolute morality. since conflicting religions exist, the religionness-property alone is not enough to validate religion as a source of absolute morality.
[–] PlasmaSnake@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

It doesn't assume that there is no source of absolute morality. It says that religious people are incorrect to derive their absolute source of mortality from a deity, whether it exists or not

I prefer to frame the argument like this:

"If you found out your God didn't exist, would you go around killing people? Why not?"

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

Many would.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

At least for me, it seems that the assumption that there is no absolute source of morality besides religion is correct. Human morality has changed a lot throughout history, and lots of people have tried to dictate morality across borders and across time. The only ones who have succeeded in the slightest are religious leaders.

The argument is generally that one specific religion provides a source of absolute morality. The existence of conflicting religions does not invalidate that. It provides one source of absolute morality, not necessarily the only source of absolute morality. Anyone can claim something is a source of absolute morality. I can claim a magic 8-ball is a source of absolute morality. It does not mean that people will accept it, but I can claim it.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It sounds an awful lot to me like Christians want to fuck horses. Or at the VERY least, they spend a concerning amount of time thinking about fucking horses.

[–] UntimedDiffusion@piefed.zip 5 points 2 hours ago

Well obviously they don't think about fucking horses, that would just be weird. Children, on the other hand...

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 hours ago

I think fornicating with an animal is no worse than voring it, and I know dozens of people who vore animals. Personally, I'm vegan, except for kangaroos and bees.

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 6 points 3 hours ago

I feel like im having a stroke deciphering those messages in grey.

[–] KernelTale@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

For all I care fuck a dead deer. We already slaughter and rape animals on an industrial scale. Pretending to have a morale high ground is a hypocrisy. That's why I respect vegans or people who strive to become them as they are only ones somehow consistent without being brainwashed by religion and still against this while religious people only think of it as disgusting but happily participate in torture when they don't see it, because they are brainwashed into stripping other creatures of self.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Does this logic also apply to human corpses? Like if I go to a morgue…

[–] decolo@piefed.social 3 points 3 hours ago

corpses are dead and cannot receive a moral injury.

(setting aside the potential to cause a plague outbreak, which is a morality issue IMO)

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I agree, but I'll also say it's immoral if you have a conflict of interest. Such as if you paid a friend to run it over.

I view fucking an animal and voring an animal the same way: If it was going to die anyway, it's okay. If you're paying for it to die needlessly, you're evil.

[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Such as if you paid a friend to run it over.

That's still you committing a roadkill, just second hand.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago)

Sure, but the bloodmouths get all huffy when I call them animal murderers, and say "Well I only paid a supermarket to pay a distributor to pay a slaughterhouse to kill them, so it doesn't count".