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Minimum wage (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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Guy on the left: typical ancap/neolib/oligarchy etc

Guy on the right: believes all basic necessities should be provided, either directly or by sufficient UBI

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[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"The socialist principle, "He who does not work shall not eat", is already realized; the other socialist principle, "An equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor", is also already realized. But this is not yet communism, and it does not yet abolish "bourgeois law", which gives unequal individuals, in return for unequal (really unequal) amounts of labor, equal amounts of products."

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Marxism developed in 19th century. Maybe we have to rethink a bit what we want to stand for. None of these models still apply to our current time. There is no workers class anymore like it used to exist in the 19th century. Everybody is either job-hopping or doing gigs. Demand for workers is going to drop due to an end of world-wide growth. Either abandon the free market and give people more than they deserve (in a "free labor market" sense), or drop your birth rates (to lower supply of work and therefore increase wages).