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[–] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

USA has the Espionage Act. A violation of this law can be punishable by death, and whistleblowers and journalists have been targeted under this law in the past.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 4 points 52 minutes ago

Roy Cohn, the guy who mentored Trump and was McCarthy's second AND had his own Lavender Scare (while he himself was gay) got his claim to fame when he sent a Jewish couple to death over this exact thing

[–] Frenezul0_o@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Does anyone else see a suspicious disconnect here? The actual legislation cited is a prohibition about "any intelligence cooperation with the Mossad". And what's more, this complaint is coming from Euronews, a news agency which is likely hostile to the regime. Whatever you think about the regime, I am pretty sure that cooperation with the enemy in wartime is maximally punishable in any country.

So my takeaway when I read this piece was that it sounded like a fox complaining that teeth and claws are forbidden in the chicken coop.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Funny how you equate the Iranian regime with chickens. You know, yhay same regime that murders people slowly by slowly Hanging them from a crane, just and only just because they loved the wrong person. I believe the handmaid's tale has a good example scene of this.

Yes, Israel is committing a genocide, USA is evil, but do you really want to apologize for yet another evil, then?

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Funny how the west is friends with saudis which is an as bloody regime

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 35 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah let's not forget who they are, the people in power in Iran. Worst scum on earth.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 2 points 4 hours ago

As bad as israeli and united snake leaders

[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 38 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

it's a shame that when scum fights scum there are so many innocent civilians who will suffer. there are no good guys in this. A little bully with rich parents picked a fight with a big bully and everything that can come out of this will suck.

[–] kayky@thelemmy.club 5 points 8 hours ago

Agreed.

I give preference to Iranian civilians because it's a lot harder for them to relocate than it is for Israelis.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

A fair assessment IMO.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 5 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Is it normal to allow people to send military information to your enemy?

I'm not a huge fan of either of the two belligerent, but this is not exactly an unreasonable position to take. And they are at least putting reporters on notice.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago

"hey, so if we think you published classified info, you're gonna get killed. Is that okay with you guys? Thanks for being so understanding."

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean if they really just wanted to make sure military information doesn't reach Israel they wouldn't impose the death penalty; the excessive punishment makes it clear this is going to be used to suppress unrelated dissent.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 24 minutes ago

Information flow can never go backwards. There's plenty of examples of reporters or even social media compromising military operations. In at least a few cases, it has lead to the destruction of military assets. Once broadcast, the damage is done.

Trying to force reporters to think hard about what they are broadcasting is a good thing, from the point of view of national defence.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

If it's a dictatorship I'd say yes because they are (also) the enemy.

I'm also against the death penalty in general, but especially for scaring your own citizens into obedience.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 9 hours ago

I was going to say this is manufacturing consent, but given this is recent news I guess I can't complain.

[–] kayky@thelemmy.club 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is why I'm not on Iran's side.

I still want them to hurt Israel as much as possible. My heart goes out to the innocent people of Iran.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 4 hours ago

What about iranians who don't want to get murdered by israel

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (6 children)

Israel attacks Iran. Iran which was tolerable to media a few months ago is now the root of all evil.

Talk of manufacturing consent in an unprovoked attack on another country. The scrambling to justify these attacks on Iran is real interesting.

See you tomorrow and the next day for an Iran did this bad thing story. Keep drip feeding that narrative.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 38 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

When was Iran tolerable? They're still as much of a fucked up theocracy with a terrible record on human rights as they've been since the revolution.

[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

I recall seeing a lot of posts on here praising the leadership whenever they said anything negative about Trump

But that's about the only stuff positive about Iran I've seen on here.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I said tolerable to the media. Been barely discussed in UK media until Israel attacked them, now they're scrambling to justify it based on how bad Iran is...

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not in the UK, but I recall Iran being in the media a lot in China and the US. Back when Trump assassinated one of their generals during his first term, the recurring abductions and rapes of women and young girls by the morality police that sparked nationwide protests, the arms they are providing for Russia in their invasion of Ukraine, and now Israel's unprovoked attack on Iranian infrastructure and citizens.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What do you expect iran to do want the whole west is imposing severe sanctions harming regular citizens. Iran as no choice but to work with russia. Iran could have been an neutral country if americans, israelis and britosh didn't support the shah coup

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I expect them to stop harming their own civilians, too.

We don't need to cheer on an oppressive, totalitarian regime just because they're at odds with another oppressive, totalitarian regime.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I am cheering iran right to self defence not the regime harming their own civilians.

Do you condemn israel starting the war and killing civilians ?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yes I condemn Israel, this isn't an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 2 hours ago

We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 hours ago

Basically nothing for 2 years (the protests ended), and the first term for Trump ended in 2021, so 4 years ago. The only thing I have seen is about arms sales, occasionally and it doesn't express any opinion other than an Iran drone was used.

In the last few days since the attack, it's quite a lot about nuclear weapons that may be 2 months, 2 years or a 20 years away, and now about journalists. Basically, the strategy has changed to bumping them up the enemies list to justify the attacks.

We don't see much about the Syrian leader, as he's not much of a terrorist now he's working with the West.

It's interesting how media can pivot their narratives about who the heroes and villains are at any time, and it's always in line with government foreign policy.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world -5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Welp, you convinced me, I now support killing as many Iranians, men women and children, as it takes to save Iranians from the yoke of the Islamic Republic. /s

Waging war on Iran will not improve the situation of any Iranian, even the worst off. Do not use the name of the people who will be slaughtered by the millions for your warmongering propaganda.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure how you got any of that from what I was saying. Feel free to take your black and white worldview somewhere else.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world -3 points 9 hours ago

Oh, I just assumed that your parroting of the mainstream media justifications of this war of aggression to be an assent of this war. Sorry, my bad.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 19 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Sadly, Iran has not been "tolerable to the media" in recent times.

(Example: a few months ago, their courts were discussing whether to sentence a rapper named Tataloo to death for "corruption on earth" - singing about the wrong things.)

Since they are now in war, media freedom in Iran is probably under the table.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

In the UK they were not a problem. Not even discussed until Israel attacked and now they're scrambling to paint them as the biggest evil to retroactively justify the attacks.

Media freedom is rubbish in Iran. They're not good guys. However, media is silent on the number of journalists Israel has killed recently, and no, they're not allowed in Gaza, so the threat of death and lack of freedom seems to apply to the aggressors also.

In reality, they should be clearly communicating this is 2 bad guys fighting this out. It's obvious who the aggressor is who kicked off another front though.

[–] kayky@thelemmy.club 5 points 8 hours ago

Iran which was tolerable to media a few months ago

Why are people upvoting you when you're wrong?

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Iran which was tolerable to media a few months ago

In what parallel reality do you live in ? It has been classified as one of the worse country for press freedom since years by RSF, they shutdown internet when things get out of hand and banned a lot of social medias.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If you read your sources, you'll realise Palestine is the worst. "Palestine has become the world’s most dangerous state for journalists, as almost 200 reporters were killed in Gaza by the Israeli army over the first 18 months of war, at least 42 of whom were likely killed due to their work. In the West Bank, where journalists were already the victims of abuses by both the Palestinian Authority and the Israeli occupying forces, Israeli pressure has intensified since 7 October 2023, with an increase in arrests of reporters and obstructions to their work."

2 bad guys are fighting it out here. One was an aggressor who started this conflict...

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Clearly, and i never said the opposite.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I don't want to be mean but did you live under a rock in 2022-2023?

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I said a few months ago. I'm pretty sure 24+ months doesn't fall under the categorisation of "a few". Iran has been barely touched upon for years, and now the headlines are rolling about how horrible they are now there is a war to justify.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

It has been touched upon for years, then fell off the news wagon because of other events.

The attacks are unjustified, but this narrative of "the media had no problem with Iran" when again, in the past years, executions and state violence carried out by Iran have been reported, is false.