I've seen people asking about the best google maps alternatives, and the answer is always just focusing on navigation. For that we have plenty of great apps like CoMaps.

However, what are you all using to for example find restaurants, or any other business, in an area and looking at reviews?

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[–] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Integrating reviews into OSM would cause never ending bot spaming issues.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Where I live even Google Maps sucks for this. Most businesses are on it but opening hours are usually wrong or missing and they have few reviews. Keeping this info up to date is a lot of work and few people do it. Businesses only care about google maps.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

it's worse when they say that have a dish in the reviews, but they stopped serving it years ago.

[–] leriotdelac@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Some people use TripAdvisor, Foursquare, or Yelp, but all of them have smaller user bases and neither of them is open source:(

[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

At the very least, they are not one of the big tech companies I guess.

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 100 points 1 week ago (2 children)

when business owners believe that potential customers are using Openstreetmap based apps, they'll add their businesses. until then, we're stuck adding them ourselves. maybe an outreach program would help

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 week ago

https://osmforbusiness.com/about

There are some tools to help with this

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, community-sourced is what I would want anyways, so ...

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IMO we need these business owners to be part of the community bc otherwise the task is too big to map and update all these millions of places with a small, ideological group. i don't think they should have any control over reviews or anything though

[–] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

That raises the question moderation regarding reviews. There is some needed since there is some dubious reviews prsctices.

[–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've come full circle with this and concluded that the best source is local people. I've spent so much time messing around, hungry, on the internet. Now I try to just ask a random person or two for a recommendation.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

This is the real answer. Community.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 week ago

I believe there are a few proposals of integrations of different open source review systems into OSM, but they haven't been finalized yet.

Totally agree this is the number one thing missing from open source maps rn, and it should be top priority years ago.

[–] omigibson@aggregatet.org 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Happy Cow is good for restaurants.

[–] Shamyase@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm also gueninely interested for an open-source alternative, but I'm pretty sure Happy Cow is not, right ?

[–] omigibson@aggregatet.org 2 points 6 days ago

No I don’t think it is unfortunately, it is just Not Google

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

For vegan [friendly] restaurants BTW. Still a cool resource.

[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

That's the only thing I use for restaurants!

[–] makeitwonderful@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago

I'm interested in the answer to this as well. I navigate exclusively with comaps but I still have to keep google maps to discover restaurants, hotels and attractions.

[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I do not think that you can beat Google Maps in that case, as pretty much every business adds themselves to Google Maps voluntarily and also regularly update the entry. No business cares about OSM afaik.

Until Google Maps dies, this will continue happening. The network effect.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago

Finding restaurants can be done with the same OpenStreetMap-based apps as navigation. I use OsmAnd all the time to find out where restaurants are.

But OpenStreetMap doesn't have a review functionality, nor is it trivial to add one from an external site to one. Apparently there have been efforts in this direction, but I don't know a lot about them: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Reviews

So I don't have an answer for reviews. But the review databases that currently exist are a manipulation battleground which people should take with a grain of salt anyway.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

yeah, that's my main use for gmaps on an average day, so I also wasn't able to replace it unfortunately

even if they are listed in other apps, I'm often looking for things like open hours and pictures, which are outdated or missing in open source apps

[–] themediocrist@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The most important part of a review system is the number of users, which currently resides on the big websites like google maps and yelp. For any review app to be useful it needs to have a lot of users to make the reviews, but no one will use that app unless it has enough reviews to be useful.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

A big point of the fediverse apps is building the infrastructure now, so it's ready for a "moment" potentially that would bring more users

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[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (19 children)

I didn't know people used map applications for this.

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