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[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Don't buy anything not entirely necessary until this shit is done. As usual consumers hold the bag.

[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I ordered a pair of boots from Mexico, they were shipped with all of the correct paperwork and should not have been tariffed at all. It added ~$60 to the original cost of $170.

When you submit a tariff refund request they warn you multiple times that if your submission is rejected you will be charged $100 per submission. It can be rejected for making a mistake on the paperwork even if they find the tariff was applied incorrectly. I almost didn't submit for it, and a lot of people won't but I decided to risk it. That was a few months ago and I still haven't heard back.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

What in the jesus brother. I take it you're voting in november

[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 21 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

And you never will. Thanks for playing The Decline of Democracy and Sanity.

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

No refunds 😆

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We pay. Then we pay again.

It's as simple as that and just as fucked up. Our so-called government does not work for us.

[–] raze2012@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

Socialize the losses, privatazie the games. It's crazy when people complain about socialism while these billionaire companies get to reap the best parts of it.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Pay to play? You mean the peasants get to play? Why?"

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

"By existing within these borders through no conscious choice of your own, you are indicating that you agree to these terms."

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is why it needs to be burnt, and then built better.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As per its original design

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 3 points 22 hours ago

As proposed by Thomas Jefferson; however, it is not assuredly by design because it was a group effort and the group was mixed.

Either way, the “decline of societies (at around 300y)” would support it anyhow.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago

This is why I can't be angry at regular criminals, they're just mimicking the world they see at the top.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Let's be honest. The highest estimates I find are around $160 billion in illegal tariffs. If we split that evenly it would work out to around $640 for every person over 18 in the country.

What good would giving 250 million people each $640 do? For 99% of them it would be gone as soon as they got it. They'd waste it on things like rent, bills, food, gas money. Temporary things. Within a month almost no one would have anything to show for it.

But giving a relative handful of large companies hundreds of millions to several billion dollars each? For them it's pure profit. Their bills are already paid. They've already used the profits from that year for stock buybacks to get their wealthy shareholders more money and divided the rest giving their executives huge bonuses. And now suddenly they all have huge amounts more profit almost out of thin air.

It's money to invest in AI to replace human labor so the coming years can be even better, to do even more stock buybacks so that the people who own the most stock in each company see huge increases in their net worth, or do give CEOS a second round of yearly bonus. Months and years from now there will still be amazing homes, yachts, private islands, and new faces that we'll all be able to point to as the lasting good that came from this.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Man for a second I thought you were serious and was getting my pitchfork ready. Bravo.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

I mean... don't put it away. You should still take the opportunity to make sure it's nicely rusty and dull. We do need everyone to have them ready. That sarcastic message of mine is still describing what the government and corporations actually did to us. And they're not raping and killing their own kids. Well... they probably are raping their own kids too. But not killing or possibly eating them.

Since they're now all in charge of investigating and arresting themselves and their buddies and passing laws to stop their own blatant corruption it seems that us stepping in with pitchforks might be necessary very soon.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What good would giving 250 million people each $640 do?

You say that, but something a lot like that already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008

Most taxpayers below the income limit received a rebate of at least $300 per person ($600 for married couples filing jointly). Eligible taxpayers received, along with their individual payment, $300 per dependent child under the age of 17. The payment was equal to the payer's net income tax liability, but could not exceed $600 (for a single person) or $1200 (married couple filing jointly)

Most everyone I knew spent it on HDTVs. Economic stimulus indeed.

[–] mangobanana@discuss.online 2 points 5 hours ago

No matter what they spent it on, it was still stimulating the economy.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

You think I don't rem... oh Christ, it was 18 years ago? There really are people here who wouldn't remember it.

Yes. I know. I'm sort of surprised anyone could read my post and not see all the sarcasm. I do not really believe that spending money on food or rent is wasting it. It's needing to use that money in order to keep living. Companies getting it all to make the rich richer and buy yachts and new faces is not something I actually consider to be better.

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[–] chahn.chris@piefed.social 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So we were all robbed. Again.

[–] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

That was always the plan, my friend.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This was so obvious that anyone paying attention could see this coming a mile away. I'm probably the unpopular opinion, but I think the government should have just not issued any refunds. I would rather the government get funds to potentially use for social welfare than to give it back to businesses. The only problem is that would create an incentive for the government to try it again for another quick payday. Some mechanism would have to be put into place to stop this. Take away the power from the president to issue tarrifs on his own. Which we should probably do anyway.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Funded the war didn't they

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago

With only $160 billion? No.

[–] ShakeNBake@lemmy.zip 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

But without the refunds, how would Cantor Fitzgerald (where Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick's son is the chair) get their money from the rights to the tariff refunds they bought?

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Nutlick needs to be the first into the woodchipper

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 15 points 1 day ago

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany moment now....

... it's going to start to trickle down.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I kicked a trumper out of my D&D group after I finally got of tolerating his shit. He thought Trump would be better for our economy. No regrets.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

We should be doing a lot more than kicking them out of social groups. They're traitors to our nation who are degrading our quality of life.

But we do what we can on an individual basis. I applaud you. I've removed all of them from my life as well. One of the best moves I've ever made.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 115 points 1 day ago (10 children)

If you, as a consumer, directly paid one of the illegal tariffs, you can get a refund via the shipper who acted as an agent for you.

For example, here's the form if you shipped something over the border using UPS and paid an illegal tariff to get it released from customs.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 24 points 1 day ago

Fines like this should go to the consumer, but that's impossible, so they should go into the America First Fund (irony intended), which be the seed money to provide the initial funding for all the social programs we need to start - healthcare, college/trade, student loan forgiveness, pre-k, UBI, etc.

As we investigate and prosecute MAGA crimes, any fines and confiscations, which should be harsh (including the confiscation of entire estates of treasonous families like the Trumps or the Ellisons), should be put into the America First Fund. The level of the fund should be mentioned in the evening news every night. Rich people can take note of the Dow, and workers can take note of the America First Fund.

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