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You make $65,000 (USD 🀒) in a dead end career doing nothing but showing up sometimes. Guaranteed employment without change in intensity or salary until retirement in 15 years at age 62. You receive 3 weeks paid vacation, reasonably priced medical, dental, and vision insurance, 401k matched at 2.5%, and virtually unlimited sick days as long as you don't call out too often (>3x month). You are given 6 college credits per semester to use at the local university. You're currently working on a PhD.

You live comfortably and have 1 year's salary saved. Zero dependents.

Do you ride it out, or do you seek a career change before it's too late.

I know, infinite unknown variables, but what would you do regardless?

UPDATE: I'm slightly taken aback by how many of you actually took the time out of your day/evening to reply to my personal crisis. I've think I've replied to everyone, which, in doing so, made this morning surprisingly sunnier. So thanks for that.

Adding some thing I've shared in replies. I'm a homeowner with zero debt aside from a very affordable mortgage. Purchased my car outright new in 2024, had household concerns addressed over past five years (new roof, HVAC systems, sump pump, water heater, shed, remodeled bathrooms), have three degrees, and a lifetime of piss poor fortune.

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[–] Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

52,832 more dollars a year than I survive on. Unless you think your job will evaporate soon you have a pretty good thing. Get your PhD. Keep your job as long as you can. Jumping at somthing new has a very good chance of blowing up in your face in this market. Caveat, I don't work so what do I know? But if you aren't severely depressed about it I'd stay

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Unless your salary is inflation adjusted over those 15 years, you are going to end up in a bad place if you ride it out. I personally couldn't make it on $65k and would be looking to either supplement my income or find a higher paying job ASAP. If it was a reasonable income for where I live and covered my bills, and resulted in me being able to still afford retiring at 62, I might stick with it if it wasn't driving me totally crazy with boredom.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

65k without even Inflation adjustment could be rough...

But this is at 47, much depends on what happened up to this point. For example if you had a very strong run and had 2 mil on a 401k already.. I might be tempted to ride it out. I actually kind of like the idea of taking classes that I just feel like taking. Also depends on the family situation.

I've actually been imagining this sort of scenario for finishing out my career. I keep imagining my luck running out and needing to find something, anything to bridge me to retirement. Ideally with less office politics. Working at a university for access to classes has been on the list of fallback careers, under the hope that my 401k can largely take care of itself now.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing your current thought process on the scenario. It feels like hanging in there is the same as giving-up sometimes. But then I think, why do I want more work and responsibility if I'm living comfortably where I'm at?

It's a personal ethics issue. I want to crush the capitalist machine and steal time, but I also feel like I have so much more to offer to the world. I'm just not sure what that involves. My interests and hobbies haven't changed in decades (aside from quitting the drink). Zero aspiration.

[–] Dookieman12@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Learn new skills. Learn to weld. Learn to solder. Learn to wire up basic electronics. Learn how to build radios. Go camping. Adopt a dog from the shelter and see how many tricks you can teach them. Learn and master anything. Creation is the key to fulfillment and the antidote to consumption. Meet younger people and talk to them about how they can and why they should dismantle the capitalist machine.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Soldering. I have two kits. From the little I've watched online, I've learned my father soldered incorrectly his entire life. Flux? Never heard of the guy. I have three dualsense controllers with drift, and three sets of replacement sticks. Requires soldering. Everything ready to go, no motivation to do any of it.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thing is for me personally I have a dependent and im in the red if I make somewhere under 90k unless they pay all medical expenses. It would not work for me it would be a slow death.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

Experiencing the sensation of slow death is brutal.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No dependents? Big.

Do you have shelter and food accounted for in a reliable way? That’s really what matters.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Homeowner, 1500 sq ft, single family home. Built in early 00s. Been here for almost 9 years.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

retirement in 15 years at age 62

Zero dependents.

or do you seek a career change before it's too late.

Whatever is driving this feeling... lean into it bro.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I really feel your comment. Now to figure out what to lean into.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

World is your oyster

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[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My 2 cents, these jobs don't last forever. The type of companies with unlimited PTO or sick plans usually will lay off people in this position eventually, or get acquired, shutter offerings etc. Best to improve yourself while you have the time. Prep for a career change, get an MBA or another cert. Check out WGU and see if you can commit the time. Ride it out sure but once it dries up you're kind of assed out man. Much harder to find a job in your 50s even in mamagement

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Excellent points. I would love to start my own side hustle, perhaps consulting, but I literally don't know the first thing about any of that. I do however know the ins and outs of a 501(c)(3). Capstone for my MS was developing a strategic plan for a local non-profit. They loved it so much, they made me a Board member. Did that for three years before realizing it was more of a social club for white retired women. Resigned from the org, and two years later they closed up shop. Turns out, they were banking on gaining a pipe dream celebrity endorsement (Ellen DeGeneres of all inhuman cretins) instead of following the strategic plan.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

What does showing up entail here? How many hours a week? Use the time to slowly build towards another career, something that uses both so you don't start at square one maybe.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Strictly me with my life experience, at 20 I would try and find something else more exciting and fulfilling, today in my mind theories I would stay especially with my phd in progress it would give me time to do it properly, and give me enough money to at least stay alive, and not be pressured into any bullshit stressful situation at work which has been my experience with jobs so far.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

At 20, I thought there was a future as a professional partier. Sounds like you have your head on straight. Keep up the good work!!

[–] shirasho@feddit.online 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would ride it out assuming inflation and rising cost of living didn't exist. Well, those things do exist. The question you need to ask yourself is if you would be unhappy living with the spending power of ~60% of what your spending power is now. If the answer is anything other than a solid yes then you should be looking.

Finish up any schooling and get a new job lined up before you leave your current job. The current job market is incredibly toxic and near impossible to navigate. People are posting vague job descriptions they have no intentions of hiring for to make it look like they are growing when they are really stagnating. AI is being used to push highly skilled workers back into the market.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Thanks for the advice, and for insight on the job market.

Oddly enough, just did the math and ~60% spending power in 15 years alongside what I save up to that point might actually be doable. I have zero debt aside from the mortgage (costing significantly less than current avg rent costs), a car purchased outright new in 2024, all major household concerns addressed over past five years (new roof, new HVAC systems, new sump pump, renovated bathrooms, new 10x10 shed).

I believe I'm dying, but my doctor thinks otherwise. Clean bill of health with all milestone checklist procedures completed. Family life expectancy is the kinda average 68-74 (cancer, heart disease).

Of course the unknown and the $$$$ that requires, but otherwise, doable?

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Depends, of course. I'm not personally wildly ambitious about work so that would be fine with me. If no raise though, that money will not be enough in 15 years. So it would need to come with raises to meet inflation at least.

Retirement at 62 would be a big upgrade from what I expect to be able to do, but I did raise a lot of kids.

[–] TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is it work from home? Might be able to swing a second job during the do nothing 8-5 to bump up the numbers if you’re able.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sounds a hell of a lot better than the dead end job I just left. Are they hiring?

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Our entry level positions begin at $35k. You don't want this smoke. 😁

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Do you absolutely LOATHE your life right now the way it is? Do you regret EVERY choice you ever made in your life that steered you to where you are now? If yes, then you are probably part of the majority of Americans your age. Go ahead and look for change, because no matter what happens, you won’t miss where you are now.
BUT if you answered no, then congratulations, you are happier than most people your age, and keep looking for other ways to find joy because more than likely you’ll end up in a worse spot for you and regret ever shaking things up.

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[–] Octavio@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’d shoot my shot. If I’m working towards a PhD I am too smart to waste my life working a boring job for a comfortable but not great salary.

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[–] Dookieman12@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Despite having your needs satisfied, you sound unfulfilled. More money won't necessarily change that.

People say, "Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life," but the truth is the opposite. When you do something every day, you become good at it. That skill, that proficiency fosters enjoyment and leads to us loving what we do. I'm not in my career field because I love it, I love what i do because I'm very good at it and mastery is its own reward.

Are you certain there's no way to monetize your PhD? Surely you could teach with those credentials?

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Teaching is likely where I will end up. I'm already responsible for employee onboarding (it's an email), and have conducted many public speaking affairs, most involving some new change to something nobody is going to love. Or "special projects" as they like to call them. The projects I'm given are those others have failed because I'm a mark for getting stuff done. I could teach as an adjunct now with my masters, but the pay is abysmal.

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

This pretty much was my job up until recently, though we get better leave than that in Australia.

[–] iatenine@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't think I'd bother working on a PhD 15 years from retirement

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Really depends on why you're doing it, I would say.

[–] Tooks@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

I'm doing it for a few reasons. 1) It's free education and I enjoy learning, 2) Spite (my immediate supervisor was promoted over me with a high school diploma), 3) I'm hoping it will both give me something to do over the next few years AND give me the sensation of fulfillment or satisfaction knowing I have reached and completed the highest level of post secondary education. An accomplishment I'm hoping I can hang a hat on. I think this is subconsciously the real reason.

I have a friend who was a carpenter and musician and got a phd at 45, wound up head of a university department 10 years later, moved to a prestigious university then retired. He could have kept working like a lot of profs but the second career was long enough.

[–] Krusty@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago

Another word for scholarship is leisure.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

[–] spectrums_coherence@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You are working on a PhD, depends on the subject and your effort, you likely will have a better job in no time, right :)

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