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[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

I'm doing my part, it is still perfectly legal to tell people to go fuck themselves, loudly, constantly, and any time they're in public. I'm sure someone will say that's a waste of time etc, I'm fine with that still going to tell oldies who didn't fix shit to go fuck themselves, yeah maybe it won't fix anything, ya still deserve to be punished.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

I wasn't joking when I said the ccp spies on their citizens and I wasn't joking when I said the US spies on their citizens after the Patroit Act. The normalization of a surveillance police state all across the world is terrifying.

Uk too.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I seriously need to get this giant big cyberpunk writing/worldbuilding project of mine on the road.

Because at the moment, cyberpunk is becoming aspirational. Reality is just, dunno, cyberpunk but dumb as hell.

[–] Caesium@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like to call it burgerpunk

[–] Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its really just called capitalism

Better get the guillotines ready, make the french proud

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Chinese citizen would be living under

Correction: Chinese citizens already living under a surveillance state. UK and now US and also many other countries is merely learning from the best(worst). Mandatory age verification for socmed and game? China already have that years ago. ISP level blocking? Great Firewall of China is there from the beginning.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 2 points 16 hours ago

Seriously, I don't understand the fucking hard on that regular people seem to have to wash one shit nation with the other. We don't have to choose a boot to lick

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

End to end encryption chats are banned in China btw. China is living in this complete dystopia already and the only reason we don't hear it because China is very good at hiding this. The great firewall is as much to contain Chinese inside as it is to repel others.

[–] qwertyuiop@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

End to end encryption chats are banned in China btw

I know imessage is commonly used and it's e2e. The firewall is a blacklist not a whitelist, and Github isn't blocked. They would have to manually block any server that hosts matrix/xmpp if they wanted to actually enforce that. The most annoying thing they do (at least in Shanghai) is the ISP's have raw.githubusercontent.com resolve to 0.0.0.0, but you can just manually add the ip in your /etc/hosts file. Maybe it's to make downloading releases tarballs more annoying to encourage domestic alternatives?

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[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 13 points 2 days ago

The US was spying on all backbone data 20 years ago. The US has no need to block websites because it has a big enough propaganda network to control the narrative on those websites, and there is less incentive to propping up the US tech industry by blocking competition like there is with the Chinese tech industry.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

Americans weren't joking when they said that stuff about China, they were parroting an exaggerated version of the reality, which was being fed to them by people who don't actually care about limiting mass surveillance.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It isn't just a surveillance state, they are 100% building a behavior prediction algorithm state.

[–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The US government already started pre-crime policing. No future tense about it, full on dystopia is already here.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

It won't just be precrime, that's perhaps the most obvious and most blunt use. Essentially, prediction allows for deeper understanding of which actions affects our behavior and how, so they know what to do to get what they want from us. Its next level manipulation of subsets of the populace that results in massive increase in disempowerment. You thought we were powerless before? These tools are digital shepherds and prison guards for all of us.

Has the wealthy class worked for or against your interests? If they gain more power, will they work for or against your interests? I don't see anything but tragedy resulting from their further empowerment.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

John Oliver just did an episode on Police Surveillance Technology. It's sad and scary stuff.

He also mentioned Atlas of Surveillance, a website to check what's going on in your area.

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[–] Kptkrunch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Surely if the US is engaging in mass surveillance than China can't be.. otherwise which superpower am I supposed to cheer for?

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[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And what's worse, eventually all the information gathered from all this surveillance will be turned into training data for AI. So right now, for all intents and purposes, none of us has any true privacy. And one of the most deeply damaging aspects of this is that it changes how we think. Subconsciously, when we're engaged in thinking and we have even a brief idea that our thoughts might somehow, someday be known (through the actions of a surveillance state, for example), we reframe our ideas so that one day they will be known by someone else; they will have an audience. This is a much different state than when we're able to think with the freedom of knowing, even subconsciously, that our ideas are completely private.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 104 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

Capitalists are constantly telling on themselves.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 74 points 2 days ago (15 children)

This isn't a capitalism problem. It's an authoritarianism problem. The only thing about this that relates to capitalism is that it's a private company setting up the cameras instead of the state doing it.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's a gross over simplification that ignores the influence of the insurance industry shifting the baseline of public surveillance and crony capitalism that infects our municipalities.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Yes, that's how it's implemented under capitalism.

States further into their authoritarianism don't need to bother with middle men and cutouts and shit.

They just put up the cameras.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 43 points 2 days ago

Capitalism is pretty inherently authoritarian. The boss calls the shots.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

"Decentralize the mass surveillance!" cries the anarcho-libertarian. "Big Government is monopolizing all the cameras! We should let the market decide who gets spied on!"

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is absolutely a capitalism problem. It's what happens when you let corporations do whatever without consequences as long as they can afford the bribes and in turn get contacts on taxpayer money.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 23 points 2 days ago (9 children)

True, but I could also see an authoritarian "communist" government doing all the same surveillance bullshit.

So, while it's a capitalism problem this time, I don't think it's a capitalism-exclusive problem. It really is, at its root, an authoritarianism problem. This time, you've got capitalist authoritarianism, but next time maybe a different flavor.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Not to glaze surveillance, but at the very least it can have some positive results, like in China, where it helped bring down crime to non-existent levels, and increased public safety.

You can just leave your stuff on the street and come back for it later, without worrying about theft. Whether or not it balances the negatives is another question entirely, but I think we can all agree some upsides beat no upsides any day.

As opposed to countries such as the US, Australia or the UK, where surveillance is used for nothing but spying on you and ensuring you're as miserable as physically possible. Nobody even bothers using the existing surveillance infrastructure for any positive effects. It's like everything only has the sole purpose of benefitting the oligarchs.

Similarly, the EU is slowly pushing some surveillance plans, with no thought behind them whatsoever. As of right now, they'd be a 100% net loss for everyone, everywhere, in every situation, except the tiny elite class.

I guess they just got tired of pretending lately. Even the good old "think about the children" is used less often nowadays. Soon it'll just be "submit without question or get executed."

For so many years we've been manipulated to be grateful for everything, because we could always be living in a dystopia like China. And here we are, moving in a considerably worse direction, without even the slightest benefits of those dystopian structures.

Have we forgotten the most effective ways of keeping politicians in check?

[–] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know what eliminates crime way better than cameras? Eliminating poverty.

[–] end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Murica: "understood"

begins eliminating the poor

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the United States the murder resolution rate is around 50% (in Canada it is around 60-something%) meaning despite massive surveillance they don't catch a lot of the more serious crimes. In NYC the most surveilled areas actually have lower murder resolution rates.

[–] 5318008@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

In NYC the most surveilled areas actually have lower murder resolution rates.

There's really no way that could be a causal relationship. It'd be worth diving into the data to figure out which variables are related to each of these.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even the good old "think about the children" is used less often nowadays. Soon it'll just be "submit without question or get executed."

TBH we have the “think of the corporations” line these days that’s used more than think of the children

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[–] CosmicRay@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Seems like USA is trying to be everything bad with china with none of the good parts

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The surveillance state is not just in the US. China and the UK love that shit too. Pretty much any government with the money and will for it is doing it for the benefit of a digital panopticon.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Funny how this surveillance never correlates with any happiness or safety metrics. It's almost like it's not there to improve society but to control it or something 🤔

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We weren't jokingly saying the Chinese are living under it, though.

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[–] Kurtismayfield@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For decades people have been warming about inverted totalitarianism.. where private companies do the heavy lifting in controlling and surveillance or the population. Very few listened. Now that we are approaching complete sacrifice of your privacy to these companies, people are finally waking up. But it may be too late.

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[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

what fucking dashcams connect to the internet? and why would someone want to pay for a dataplan for it?

[–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Uber certainly would. Just sell the data and make profit. Or realistically, just start scanning for bluetooth and wifi mac addresses, and upload that with GPS, which is what Flock is planning on doing, now you just tie it to a one time scanned license plate. Isn't technology grand? Ugh.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Aren't uber and lyft vehicles privately owned cars? They can't do that...

[–] s1ndr0m3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I'm sure they will make it part of the employment contract under the guise of "safety."

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

An important part of the article is that Uber and Lyft are not sending footage - it was an idea Flock came up with and pitched.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Always thought it was weird that they would scoff at their "social credit score" system. Emphasis on "social". As if that was the fucked up part.

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