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[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

Cool thing about sign language is how much it reflects culture (so does every language, but I think it's more obvious in SL).

Like, sign for transgender in Brazilian Sign Language is "break chain" or "self change" (roughly), which I think it's awesome.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you Google 'I am alone with a Moroccan' in Dutch AI will immediately give you the police contact info but let's pretend it is normal

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 hours ago

It does the same when you talk about a Syrian, but not when you talk about a Turk. What the hell. This is why I use DuckDuckGo

[–] muhg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I have seen a pattern (or not, I don't know), that a lot of male communists tend to prefer having facial hair to being clean shaven (myself included). Maybe just seeing a pattern where there isn't one, or maybe it's a new phenomenon.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 hours ago

I agree, I see this as well.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

Good afternoon

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 hours ago

Social media has been a disaster for a lot of people's trust in the media. Of course stuff like (geo)politics and crime and the likes you need to be aware of bias.

But some things the media has no reason to lie about. A slightly venomous spider is making its round in The Netherlands and some news outlet reported to be cautious if you see it in your home. The comments: 'no, it doesn't exist. Fake news'.

My guys, just... no.

[–] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

is juche anti-materialist?

[–] Ember_NE@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Happy week everyone! Every week is a good week to study political economy and history!

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In The Netherlands we saw the ICE and thought we could do better so state TV made a TV series sanitizing Frontex

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sometimes I try to ground myself by imagining the irrelevance I have within the universe. Voyager 1 just reached 1 light day away from Earth. It is the most distant human-made object out there. 25 billion kilometers from Earth.

Our milky way has a diameter of 100 thousand light years. To give you an idea: Voyager 1 was launched nearly 49 years ago in 1977. At its current pace it would need nearly 1.8 billion years to cross just our galaxy. And there are 2 trillion galaxies out there as per our calculations, which are flawed as well.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 16 hours ago

Yes, but in how many of those 2 trillion galaxies can you find a decent croissant?

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 day ago

Was reading up on the term Hikikomori on wikipedia just cause that was the first result that came up in search and noticed how it mentioned neoliberalism like once and other than that it had this tone of like "this is such a hard problem, there are various factors involved."

Reformists always act like these things are super hard to figure out, but somehow fail to compare the system of power to societies where the issue doesn't tend to occur. That's the actually weird phenomenon, the feigned ignorance of anything that exists outside the status quo, not some people ending up as dependent recluses because capitalist society literally does not want to have a place for everyone and introduces scarcity on purpose; the fact that the daily operations of capitalism do not miss the presence of these people is a feature, not a bug. And in not missing them, it becomes very easy for them to exist apart from society. Society is not even meeting them halfway. Capitalists build a society based on "winners" and "losers", where "winner" is synonymous with material success/power and "loser" is synonymous with material failure/isolation, and then act confused that some people exist in the "loser" category. As if they didn't build the system to create and reproduce that dynamic.

But they need the feigned confusion because admitting that society is rigged to screw over a bunch of people means it also isn't the fault of the people being screwed over. As long as they keep the confusion narrative going, they can point and say "I guess it's a you problem."

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Good morning

[–] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

east is a podcast youtube channel is suspended

ran by Iranian ml their podcast on apple podcasts is still up though

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

The means of Rant production are back in the hands of the vanguard!

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Fuck. There was a moment in the last video where Sina quickly blurted out a disclaimer to the youtube gods (demons really). Apparently that wasn't enough.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

The East is a podcast?

Zamn

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 days ago

Well, my unemployment is coming to an end. Maybe holiday is a better term because I wasn't facing the danger of starvation or being homeless but technically I was unemployed for a few months. Nearly four months ago I was sitting at my desk and had enough. I stormed up to my boss his office and just said that I was quitting. Didn't really have a plan.

I tried to go on a literal pilgrimage to Santiago but after some weeks of walking I didn't like it so I went home. Took some more trips left and right on my own to figure things out. Maybe the entire journey of it all was the pilgrimage I was looking for.

I will have a blue collar job again after nearly a decade of working in an office. Curious to see how it goes.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel like Askreddit is mainly used for AI data collection nowadays

[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If it is, good. Their training data is going to be half filled with stupid questions about sex and dating, from what I can remember about askreddit the last I was there, several years ago.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah I agree, it's why I don't check it out anymore. I remember being on a school computer checking the subreddit and almost all the posts were too inappropiate to open in public. Since then I never looked at Askreddit again. And I'm not a prudish person at all.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Good afternoon

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 2 days ago

We lost three in our tiny village in as many days. Make the most of what and who you have.

I'm grateful I have this community and got to mind travel a little while with you fine people.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A far right party opened their own school in The Netherlands today. Got 200k government support because 'freedom of education'. They have a poster of Dutch colonies because they are proud of Dutch colonialism. One of their teachers was caught sending antisemitic messages on WhatsApp some time ago.

Currently a whopping number of four children attend the school. They need like 100+ more in a few years to keep getting subsidies.

[–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 days ago

Fascists love to complain about minorities getting handouts and then pull shit like this.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Good morning

[–] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

has anyone read anything written by J Arch Getty, particularly The Road To Terror

He is still critical of Stalin. Getty is referenced a fair amount by pro-Stalin scholars like Grover Furr

found this rec on

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/s/AbOo7GVhZC

Sure! I love this history.

Fitzpatrick and Getty are both "liberal" historians. I know Fitzpatrick came from a family of fellow travellers however. Her book *On Stalin's Team* is a great overview of the people who made up Stalin's inner circle from the 1920's up until his death. Some v amusing and heartwarming anecdotes in this one. Her book *Everyday Stalinism* is good as well.

J Arch Getty has written extensively on the great purge and was one of the first historians in the West to question the absurdly high death tolls. His book *The Road to Terror* is the "revisionist" take on the purge which emphasises the from below and mass participatory elements. He is still critical of Stalin, however. Getty is referenced a fair amount by pro-Stalin scholars like Grover Furr lmao.

Another book I'm currently reading is Terry Martin's *Affirmative Action Empire* about Soviet nationalities policy. It's great thus far.

Other historians to check out: Ronald Suny, Stephen Cohen, and Lars Lih. Have also heard good things about David Priestland's work. Orlando Figes and Stephen Kotkin have shitty politics but their work is decent as well.

I get lots of good recs from this substack: https://thestalinera.substack.com/. It's fairly pro-Stalin / pro-Soviet but grounded in the actual, verifiable history. The author is quite critical of Losurdo actually, who he sees as trying to hard to reconcile Stalinism with Dengism.
[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I can't remember my opinion on Getty specifically (I think mildly positive?), but my general opinion is any of them are as good as their sources, and anything between should be examined very critically (if not outright disregarded).

Fitzpatrick's primary research, for example, is valuable for the perspectives of those she's interviewing (which themselves have a subjective relationship with the truth, we can't forget) or the effort she's spent reading the archives. But she will also cite Conquest and the like. And as with all historians, she'll have a couple paragraphs of exposition or narrative between actual cited data, exposition which has multiple problematic layers in relation to the truth. So when I'm reading anyone, I'm mostly focused on the skeleton of cited data, less on the skin of narrativization.

Casting a wide net is warranted due to this, rather than reading a single book cover to cover. Grab epubs off of libgen or wherever and don't be afraid to follow a citation trail back.

Regarding whether being cited should give a historian legitimacy: not very much, at least in controversial topics or revisionist works. When someone is advancing a thesis or argument, citing a person that supports the opposing view is a strong tactic (like citing Fox News to a conservative), since it acts as a sort of immanent critique. So revisionist school historians like Getty and Fitzpatrick have a tactical reason to cite people in the totalitarian school, because that's who they're in conversation with. Similar for apologists/MLs opting to cite western academics. There's often a difference between a source that is more likely to best approximate the truth and a source that your target audience would find compelling.

Someone trying to approach the truth as closely as possible will try to focus on sources as close to the event as possible. Someone trying to convince someone will focus on sources that resonate with the target audience. Someone trying to get published will focus on sources deemed acceptable by academia/industry. The latter two influences tend to dominate the first.

Most of this is blathering that actually symbolizes frustration at my inability to retain information (like anything specific about Getty, whose books are packed away somewhere with the rest of my library).

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[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have a wonderful week everyone!

As always, communism will win.

[–] guolai@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago

Thanks Cowbee. Hope you have a wonderful week as well.

A better world is possible.

[–] reallybigShell@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What are some good substacks/medium pages. I just moved into a new apartment and the internet isn't up yet (I have to pay for it) and i can't watch youtube videos (it will deplete my phone data too much) so I want to do some reading

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Indi.ca is really good.

[–] Oppo@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I hope you all have a nice week :D

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

You too Oppo!

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago
[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

You too have a great week, Oppo!

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Have a nice week, comrade! ┏(^0^)┛

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

🫵 You WILL have hope, comrade.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 2 days ago

Nothing can stop us, we're on the way up.

[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Reminder to tell you to study HTML. Today, I discovered the hgroup tag. It groups headings with other contents (like subtitles).

[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

New week.

So, remember to hydrate every day.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago
[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago
[–] Umay@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've tried to join the matrix but i couldn't do it. Forum makes new accounts, how can i join with the account i already have?

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