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Windows has gotten so bad that my family, who has been reticent about the switch since 2004, has finally given in and is swapping! So far I got them to agree with ChromeOS Flex (booo, but still better than windows) and Bazzite!

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[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 112 points 6 days ago (5 children)

ChromeOS

🤦‍♂️ My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 days ago
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[–] cannedheat@lemmy.ml 44 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Be careful here... There will be a learning curve, and you may end up being the tech support person if you aren't already.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 55 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I kinda already am. I hate working on their windows problems

[–] cannedheat@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago

Yeah, fair. At least you'll get fewer facepalms this way!

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If you already are their tech support, you probably could've forcibly switched then a long time ago.

At least, that's how I treat my computer-illiterate boomer parents. For them, it's "use what I tell you to use or you're on your own." To be fair, on their last few computers that was MacOS, but their iMac from 2013(?) got so obsolete it wasn't good enough anymore, so as of a few months ago they're on a mini PC running Linux whether they like it or not.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My family is famously stubborn and unreasonable to our own detriment. And by famous I mean famous there's a little blurb about my asshole relatives being stubborn in a local history book and we took this fact as a good thing

I kinda love some of them though so I guess I'm fine with it

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

WARNING they may suffer from less bugs, less annoying updates, better performance, less spyware and functional package management.

Before anyone says anything I am aware there are trade-offs due to switching from what you know.

[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Are you sure it would be less bugs? I havent been using windows for like 2-3 years, but it cant have gotten that bad, right?

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was part of tech support for work until last year.

My list of ridiculous bugs is quite long.... Even down to basics like the microphone, using Microsoft office at all, windows explorer, and opening teams had bugs where people's work laptops were unusable for day to day tasks.

[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

I may have just had ridiculous luck to avoid all bugs on both linux and windows

Most of the bugs i have seen on linux were actually from a friend i convinced to move to linux

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I guess the base version of windows is relatively ok but Microsoft Office and Overdrive/SharePoint are both completely unusable. Which is insane considering they are industry standards.

Although Linux seems to be generally much more stable in my experience. Of course it depends on the distro.

I installed fedora workstation on the computer of the mother of my wife. It just works. I set google chrome on autoboot and told her, if there is a pop up that says update system klick yes. Never had a single problem with it.

[–] pammyfromthesticks@mander.xyz 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I just said no. I'm not going to help you with your computers unless you install Linux on your computer. I can fix all these other dumb operating systems. But I'm not going to do things that are not in your best interest, especially when I'm one doing the tech support.

Like. I'll still love you if you're shooting up heroin but I am not gonna go buy your fucking drugs.

🎼I just said no. No. No. No. No. No. No. Fuck no. No. No. Do this. Now. No. I won't do that. Do this. Now.🎶

Just..... like the world we live in now, I only want to hang out with people that use open source. Period. End of story.

Also, phone etiquette is super important. I will not waste my time around you while you diddle with your thumbs on your phone. Also, I don't want my fucking picture taken unless I know that you have good hygiene and I'll never find myself on the interwebz.

I'm an extremist, and I have no shame. I just say no.

[–] myszka@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

Wow, your extremism is really admirable! Even though I disagree with it

[–] KssioAug@piefed.zip 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Windows has gotten so bad that my family, who has been reticent about the switch since 2004, has finally given in and is swapping!

Yaaaayyyy!!! Nice one!! Congrats on pulling that off!

So far I got them to agree with ChromeOS Flex

Sorry, you what???

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Some were really adamant about it being like android it's very annoying

Kinda wish grapheneos had an x86 ChromeOS-esque build. If waydroid had better integration (e.g. lepton) it'd have been an easier sell. It's on a terribly old laptop. I run different DEs on similar laptops and they didn't like kde, cosmic, or gnome's ui, very picky.

[–] KssioAug@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I was partially kidding. I mean, sure, if that's what they want, then what could anyone do about it.

But since they came from Windows, wouldn't they adapt to something like Linux Mint Xfce or Q4OS (that mimics Windows XP)? These are very lightweight distros.

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So the criteria is something running the Linux kernel with no concern for what the user space is and ChromeOS is fine? Kind of reminds me of the movie Uncle Buck when he said he quit smoking and switched to cigars.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

tbh i'd say debloated windows is much better than chromeos.. its the worst of both worlds

[–] yxc999@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago

I think there are two sides to this.

  1. You are right, I'd rather just get them on Windows 11 Enterprise IoT LTSC than goddamn ChromeOS.

  2. ChromeOS will likely lower the bar for switching to a Linux distro so you might consider it a stepping stone. A stepping stone with nails and spiders coming out of it, but still a stepping stone nonetheless.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why on earth would anyone willfully install ChromeOS? I haven't followed recent developments but I've always thought of it as very limiting, not to mention just as bad in terms of privacy as a Windows install.

[–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It feels "official" and familiar to people outside of this bubble. Hardly anyone has actually heard of Bazzite, Fedora, CachyOS or any of the other distros, so it seems scary to put them on their devices.

[–] gila@hexbear.net 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I just put Fedora on my mum's Chromebook and told her it was an update

It made it easier for her to access email anyway

[–] SlimePirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

Definitely an upgrade

[–] lenocolomo@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

-sshole move, but it's definetely A move.

Funny tho ngl

[–] gila@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Switching her OS wasn't to force her into conforming to my ideals or something. I tried setting her up on Chrome OS first, but it's ass. For anything outside of Google's ecosystem, you need an Android app designed for phone displays. There's no real email client, no real office suite, no real way to harden her browser against scams (which she's fallen victim to in the past).

A simple Linux distro with silent automatic updates is genuinely a better fit. Everything she needs is right there on her GNOME dock. She hasn't called me for laptop support in months.

[–] danielfm123@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

My wife never knew where her windows files are, so I installed Linux on her laptop, she is not happy about Linux, but happier than in windows.

[–] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago

I give the warning before I'm handed the laptop. I've done three in the family, all Linux Mint XFCE, I never hear any complaints. Shit just works.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Mint is a better option, designed to be and actually is very intuitive for people who've only used windows in the past

[–] Krafting@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Why ChromeOS though? Were they already familiar with the UI and features?

[–] VanRado@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They were probably familiar with the name "Google", makes it seem official and supported.

Unfortunately, OS Flex is the worst of both worlds; bad Linux distro and no Android runtime and libraries.

[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] VanRado@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I didn't know about this. Looks good.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 5 points 6 days ago

For extreme non-techies who really don't understand computers and just want to use a few websites it's a solid choice because it's so basic that it's hard to break

[–] PhenomenJan@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I tried this 15ish year ago with my parents, and the results were mixed. Windows wasn't as egregious back then, with its spying and pre-installed garbage, but it did have a tendency to accumulate bloat over time. So my parents' computer would get unusably slow after a couple years. I installed Ubuntu on their system and it solved the bloat problem. It lasted for years without slowing down. The issues they ran into were compatibility. They'd buy a new camera and the connection wouldn't work. Or their friend would send them an attachment and there'd be no default viewer for the filetype. I suspect those issues have been mostly solved, but they've moved back to Windows and are running into the same bloat problems. Now they're thinking of moving to apple.

[–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago

Man, I would be happy if my parents used any computer.

[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Our shared family PC is running Aurora. My wife has a ThinkPad T14 Gen 2 on the way and we are trying to figure out what she will be running. She’s coming from an old MacBook Pro so we are going to start with trying to find the best Gnome experience. I was originally thinking Fedora Workstation but I think the updates will get on her nerves.

[–] pfjarschel@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Aurora is fantastic. I tried just to see how much work it would be to use an immutable os, and ended up using it on my main computer, for both work and gaming. installed and never looked back.

[–] Freakazoid@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

Hooray, great news! Meanwhile im still hoping some of my family will do the same.

[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Try FydeOS if you want Google Play store and Android apps.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I noticed it but it seemed to be proprietary and a kinda unknown, whats the deal with it?

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[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

LOL. You do you but this sounds like a nightmare to me.

edit: it's not just "becoming tech support person", but becoming the default person to blame for everything.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

Switched my parents to mint probably 10 years ago and I haven't heard any complaints, just had to remind them to update every so often and had to upgrade once EOL came. It has been the same with my very non technical girlfriend that switched to mint probably a year ago.

If you make sure they have supported hardware (and most of it is supported these days) my bet is you won't have to support them at all.

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