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I was talking to one of my friends and he mentioned staying home on July 4, citing how there are a lot of really ugly things going on in the US.

After thinking about this myself, I'm starting to feel the same way. Instead of being proud of the country, I'm feeling like I'm just another wallet that companies and the government are trying to suck all the money out of.

The cost of living is going up, the housing market is a nightmare, I don't feel very confident in our government at all, the job market is a nightmare...

I think I'll be staying home this year too... anyone else?

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I’m just sick of all the greed and racism. I just want some MANSA (Make America not suck anymore)

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 5 points 2 days ago

I would like MANA (Make America Nice Again)

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] yarr@feddit.nl 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

hmmmm try this

https://lemmy.world/post/32286445

the other link is from an instance with a log in requirement

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Right now I'd call my mood more embarrassed than patriotic.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

i'm also staying home. if someone "how dare you!"'s you, tell them you like celebrating not-fascist countries.

personally, i think i'll adopt and celebrate mexico's holidays

I mean I always stay home because I'm an introvert, but yeah, mirroring what other's have already said in this thread, I haven't had much to feel patriotic about since at least the Dubya Bush years. So probably more than 20 years of not feeling it.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I haven't gone to see fireworks in a few years. Recently I just go to Walmart and buy some big packs and let my kids enjoy lighting them off and just having fun. Plus the long weekend is awesome.

Canadian here. I spent most of July 1 in bed! Was not feeling patriotic! Did not watch any fireworks.

I'm kinda the opposite, but I have the same reasons. I love where I live, I just wish they'd do better and I do what I can to help. I don't need to wave a flag, people can see where I stand by what I do. If that's not patriotism I don't know what is.

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 6 points 2 days ago

My friends and I use it as an excuse to have a get together. None of us use it to celebrate the United States or its independence.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How about you stage a huge protest, and this time you don't leave until Fuckwad McClowncar is out of the Whitehouse?

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Not much of a social safety net. Take that much time off work and things are going to get uncomfortable pretty fast. Last I heard, it's like 1/3 of America that is two paychecks away from losing their housing. It's sad.

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Family is doing a get-together but if I hear any patriotic bullshit, I'm gone, but with them, it's unlikely to even hear the holiday they're gathering for mentioned. They just needed an excuse to party.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You know what will make you feel better? Learn about early American history, specifically the Revolutionary War and the period shortly before it. Ordinary citizens conquered one of the most powerful militaries in the world. Ordinary citizens. People like you and me. There was no “perfect savior” to lead them, either - George Washington was in over his head at first, but was smart enough to learn from his mistakes.

What’s going on now is nothing to celebrate, but the ani-establishment heroes of the past certainly are.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Learn about early American history, specifically the Revolutionary War and the period shortly before it.

The Regulator Movement in North Carolina, also known as the Regulator Insurrection, War of Regulation, and War of the Regulation, was an uprising in Provincial North Carolina from 1766 to 1771 in which citizens took up arms against colonial officials who they viewed as corrupt. Historians such as John Spencer Bassett argue that the Regulators did not wish to change the form or principle of their government, but simply wanted to make the colony's political process more equal. They wanted better economic conditions for everyone, instead of a system that heavily benefited the colonial officials and their network of plantation owners mainly near the coast

During the American Revolution, many prominent Regulators became Loyalists, like James Hunter who fought at the Battle of Moore's Creek Bridge. ... The Regulators notably were never against the monarchy - their issue was with local corruption and elites abusing them.

Dunmore's Proclamation was formally proclaimed on November 15. Its publication prompted between 800 and 2,000 slaves (from both Patriot and Loyalist owners) to run away and enlist with Dunmore. It also raised a furor among Virginia's slave-owning elites (including those who had been sympathetic to Britain), to whom the possibility of a slave rebellion was a major fear.

Later British commanders over the course of the American Revolutionary War followed Dunmore's model in enticing slaves to defect—the 1779 Philipsburg Proclamation, which applied across all the colonies, was more successful. By the end of the war, at least 20,000 slaves had escaped from plantations into British service

Shays's Rebellion was an armed uprising in Western Massachusetts and Worcester in response to a debt crisis among the citizenry and in opposition to the state government's increased efforts to collect taxes on both individuals and their trades.

When the Revolutionary War ended in 1783, Massachusetts merchants' European business partners refused to extend lines of credit to them and insisted that they pay for goods with hard currency, despite the country-wide shortage of such currency. Merchants began to demand the same from their local business partners, including those operating in the market towns in the state's interior. Many of these merchants passed on this demand to their customers, although Governor John Hancock did not impose hard currency demands on poorer borrowers and refused to actively prosecute the collection of delinquent taxes. The rural farming population was generally unable to meet the demands of merchants and the civil authorities, and some began to lose their land and other possessions when they were unable to fulfill their debt and tax obligations. This led to strong resentments against tax collectors and the courts, where creditors obtained judgments against debtors, and where tax collectors obtained judgments authorizing property seizures.


Just remember that the American Revolution was a bourgeois revolution that failed to address many of the underlying economic conditions plaguing the colonies from the outset. Yes, the American merchant class beat back the British Monarchists. But no, that wasn't a happily-ever-after for the proletariat of the nascent nation.

[–] strawberry@kbin.earth 0 points 1 day ago

it's just a day off to me, a chance to get wasted lol

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I just want my day off so I can have morning sex with my partner and set fireworks off with my kids.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We used to have porch lights twinkling in red, white, and blue all July. This year, we're just flashing blue adamently. And that only because our lights can't radiate black.

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