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Stop Killing The Internet: No Digital ID & No Age Verification | European Citizens' Initiative (citizens-initiative.europa.eu)

submitted 1 day ago by taco_shale032@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk/p/1772948/stop-killing-the-internet-no-digital-id-no-age-verification-european-citizens-initiative

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[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

This initiative is just a smokescreen; it actually pushes things down the slippery slope.

Citizens must not be forced to identify themselves to access lawful online content or services unless strictly necessary, proportionate and provided by law. The legislation should require anonymous or pseudonymous proof-of-age, data minimisation, selective disclosure

Define "necessary". Define "by law". The pushers for proof-of-age already say it's anonymous – but it can't be.

[–] hneerqe@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

While good intended these actions just further validate their ideas, by showing anything other than an uncompromising "No".

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.org 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

but it can’t be

Not true. You can absolutely implement a boolean true/false function on an ID card. German IDs already have that. All you need is a compatible reader (future versions will work over NFC afaik).

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

How do you trust that it isn't sending identifiable info to them too? Is the software open source and auditable? Is it legally enforced that every hardware uses the open source software?

I assume that it would need some kind of asymmetric encryption signature on the boolean too, and make it change all the time like OTP? Otherwise I'd think it could be intercepted and forged, right?

And how would the reader work? Everyone needs to buy a reader to beep their ID to when they want to watch porn?

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

And how do you verify the source of the "yes/no" signal is a valid ID card? How do you know it's used by the person linked to it?

Either the yes/no is trivially faked (so you might as well skip the formality), or the user secretly does get ID'd.

[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol, legit counter-privacy campaign.
If you're not arming yourselves and physically demanding pro-privacy internet, you're performing counter-privacy.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 13 points 23 hours ago

At this point, we need to stop asking and start taking. Fuck all of this “by the books” stuff.