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Some key insights from the article:

Basically, what they did was to look at how much batteries would be needed in a given area to provide constant power supply at least 97% of the time, and the calculate the costs of that solar+battery setup compared to coal and nuclear.

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[–] rollerbang@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Not where I live. By far. Not to mention that it doesn't even cover winter months at all. Battery or no battery it doesn't cover even the usage most of the time when the sun is out, let alone charge the battery.

Edit: care to explain the downvote?

[–] FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

This is still more polluting to mine than going nuclear, even accounting for nuclear waste.

[–] grabonex@lemmy.ml 19 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Do you have a source for that claim? Genuine question.

My intuition is that the types of impact are widely different, so hard to reduce to a single number that can be compared.

[–] FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy21osti/80580.pdf

I'm using table 1.

PV panels alone produce 43g/kWh, batteries 33.

Nuclear (light-water or pressurized) are at 12.

We're talking complete life cycle analyses.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

To tack onto that: https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-per-energy-source

When you account for land use in the entire life cycle from mining resources to disposal at end of life cycle, nuclear uses a quarter of the land of rooftop cadmium panels and a tenth of silicon panels.

Offshore wind is the only thing that gets close and even that has ecological and commercial concerns.

If you're pro-stable and sustainable ecological systems, nuclear based power grid is a no brainer.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yet breeder plants would be even more sustainable in theory, yet if anyone tries to research them right now and doesn't already have nuclear bombs they may fall into the same situation Iran just did.

Less fuel use, Less waste. Requires more technological testing/improvements long term, but everyone is worried about people weaponizing higher enrichment uranium from an outside perspective.. I could be wrong

Even for offshore wind, you gotta add the necessary battery capacity for a reliable power grid...

yeah at a certain point it becomes a trade-off between "no geopolitical dependence on uranium" and "no geopolitical dependence on something that is currently produced in china, but could be produced anywhere if we tried hard enough"

[–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

He is probably referring to the small amount of nuclear waste that is actually produced per watt of power, it is a lot more dangerous if you are in direct contact, but it is surprisingly easy to store safely, and remove all environmental impact. The biggest environmental issue with nuclear is the mining and enriching, both of which are realistically too small to factor in.

I found this article going into more depth nuclear waste .

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 16 hours ago

No, none of that has much to do with CO2 output besides transportation.

Nuclear power needs a lot of concrete. Concrete releases a lot of CO2 during production. It does eventually reabsorb it as it cures over a decade or two. IIRC, it might even be CO2 net negative eventually.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

shhh!

how can we develop a whole new market to make the rich richer if you keep bringing those kinds of facts in here?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What's the power source that doesn't do that? How do I advocate for it?

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago

Firewood from your own forest is the only one and it's carbon neutral too. This is meant more as a joke but still.

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