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(As a general concept of how a society should run, not intended as a US-specific question.)

I sometimes see people on the internet saying that giving people easy access to guns is too risky and there should be stricter gun control, while simultaneously wanting to abolish the police? I'm just confused on what people really want?

You cant both abolish the police and then also disarm the citizens, gotta pick one. So which is it, internet? Self-policing with guns? Or reform the police?

[Please state what country you're in]

::: spoiler


(Also its funny how the far-right of the US is both pro-gun and pro-police, I'm confused by that as well) :::

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[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

I think all guns oughta be allowed, but certain calibres should require registration with an official state militia. Granted, I also think we oughta have those too besides just the state and national guards; but I like redundancy.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm strictly anti-gun, as I believe are most Europeans. Civilians shouldn't be allowed to keep ranged weapons, period.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But it is legal to do that in all European countries though. You just need to qualify for a license. And that process seems to mostly do the job, especially compared to the US.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah I still don't approve of it, that was the question. I'm all for stricter gun laws worldwide. The US obviously need to catch up most urgently, but that doesn't mean I have to like the status quo elsewhere.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 week ago

I am pro gun owner ship... But I don't own a gun due to liability risk being higher than my need to have one. I lived in more rural location that calculus would change.

But American gun culture is pathetic anf thats the root cause of the issues we have with guns. Mouth breathers cos playing operators

[–] occultist8128@infosec.pub 3 points 1 week ago

i can't just trust people holding guns. but yeah, i don't trust cops either. (i'm not american)

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

With frequent mass school shootings I would think the only defensible position would be to be for as much gun restrictions as possible, otherwise you'd have to defend a necessary condition to allowing mass shootings to continue.

Absent that condition I think people should be allowed to do what they want without fucking up everybody else.

[–] the_grass_trainer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Every man for themselves, free-for-all, no resurrections.

[–] Mailloche@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Long guns and hunting weapons sure. I'd ban everything else with heavy prison terms for illegal firearms.

[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

People shouldn't have guns. Why would you need a gun? To protect yourself? Well, if you have a gun, the one you are protecting yourself from has a gun too. See, not really protection at all, it just enables you both to hurt each other much more seriously.

Just look at all the school shootings - most of those would never had happened had guns been harder to get.

Edit: Look at murder/kill statistics for countries that allow its citizens to have guns. I don't think guns = safety, but rather guns = more deaths and leas safety.

[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So banned people who are above average in size and strength because they could hurt you much more seriously?

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A gun does considerably more damage more easily than simply being strong.

You don't even need to get close. You don't even need to keep meaning to hurt or kill, a single moment's pull of the trigger can do it.

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