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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

Spaniard love to eat outside for some reason. Sometimes you will see couple of small tables on a sidewalk right next to a busy street because people just prefer to sit outside, even if it not pleasant at all. Maybe it's because inside it's usually so noisy you can't have a conversation without shouting...

Funny (well, funny enough) story: a friend was visiting me in Spain and as we were looking for a place to eat she goes "let's go to the port, we will be able to see the water". I was like "that's a weird priority... but ok". So we find a nice place in the port, sit down, I look around and the restaurant was full British people sitting on one side of the table looking at the sea.

Weird how every nation is obsessed with some details others don't really care about.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 102 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TBF the street width probably wouldn't be legal in Spain, either, if it was built this century. Europe doesn't build like this anymore.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (31 children)

Looks like a nightmare for many wheelchair users.

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[–] shirro@aussie.zone 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Go to any image search and you will find dozens of pictures from Melbourne, Australia of outdoor dining in car free laneways (alleys) though with proper pedestrian access and accessibility. Imagine trying to get through that place in a wheelchair. There is a market for car free spaces anywhere in the world, even in car cultures like Australia. Given an opportunity people vote with their wallets on these things.

Focusing on medieval streets reinforces the idea that modern cities can not have nice places. They often have lots of great spaces which are under utilized or used poorly. Pedestrianizing those under utilized spaces like alleys can revitalize a local economy.

[–] seat6@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m super anti-car. But the other 2 points are legitimate issues. Y a kitchen caught for you need multiple paths out and the ability for a crew to get to the scene. This street would still be charming of it was a few feet wider and wasn’t a death trap lol

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The fire safety is bad but maybe the brick buildings make it less of a risk?

Doesn't matter much when it's a kitchen because generally in a kitchen the fire isn't starting in the walls. Also these old buildings are far more likely to have really janky exhaust systems just because it's way harder to run a proper welded steel exhaust duct through existing construction. If you get a fire in a greasy nonwelded exhaust duct then it isn't going to matter much what the building walls are made of.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have heard that US buildings are more flammable than those in Europe. Not sure about these ones in particular.

Wood frame is more flamable than brick but generally if there is a big enough fire that the actual frame of the house catches fire then the fire would be big enough to fuck up any masonry building as well. The materials of furniture and other possessions are far more important when it comes to fire prevention. Tipping over a candle isn't going to ignite the frame of the house but it could ignite your couch depending on material.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Makes sense. Stick frame ~~and drywall~~ is all wood

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Drywall isn't wood, it's also called "sheet rock" for a reason. It's mostly gypsum and it does a pretty good job slowing the spread of fire.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 23 hours ago

Oh dang. Okay.

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[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

How does one take a pleasant photo like this and use it to bitch about cars?

There’s plenty of reasons to bitch about cars. And, the Internet is full of photos of the shitty environment created by cars. This photo doesn’t have to be one of them and it’s fucking stretch to make it about cars.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not even as though cars are the fundamental issue here as to why this sort of space doesn't exist in the usa

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because I want us to build things like this again. I live in Canada and we don't have even remotely as many old town areas that offer people-scale streets. I don't know where you live but maybe you live in a much older city so scenes like this are commonplace but they're non existent here outside of maybe Québec City.

Obviously this community is (with all due respect) an echo chamber so it's preaching to the choir but I still think it's important to be reminded of what we could have.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

This particular picture presents multiple safety and accessibility issues. Quaint, car free boardwalks are great, but this is too narrow for many reasons.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 19 hours ago

How does one take a pleasant photo like this and use it to bitch about people bitching about cars?

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[–] Kind_to_Everyone@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago

I'm pretty sure it's the stone buildings and street that make it charming. Three feet (one metre) of additional width would not remove the charm and emergency vehicles do not need access to pedestrian malls in the US.

The only thing stopping an American developer from building this in the US is cost. We don't depreciate buildings over centuries, and neither do the Spanish. New developments in Spain look nothing like this.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't they have that type of thing inside shopping centres and places like that?

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is just grandfathered in. There are just as many shit regulations in europe if not more.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There are many bad regulations in Europe too, but unlike in the US it is actually legal and possible in most places in Europe to build pedestrian friendly transit oriented neighbourhoods. In most places in the US it is not. The two are not the same.

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